Again, I'll let it go, but I think if I grabbed a 15 year old girl, slammed her into a cement wall and then on to a cement floor by the hair where I handcuffed her and then punched her in the head, I think in some places in this county you could actually do a stretch in jail. A friend of mine in the 80's clocked a bouncer, knocked out a few of his teeth. He served 90 days for assault. I'm fairly certain his police record previously involved no violent crime.
LEO Beats up 15 yo girl in cell
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Pitdog02
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Hot damn! thats what I call givin it to us both barrels.
Somehow I sense the ring of truth in your statement.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Let it go. At least till after the verdic. We cant do anything either way, anyway.
straightshooter1
US Veteran
Yeah, I didn't see it was a misdemeanor. She's 15 and, in Florida, we just don't have a misdemeanor for child abuse. We felonized everything it seems.
This is one that should be a felony based on the video, but maybe they don't have one or, for some reason, chose not to file it.
Not much chance of jail for a misdemeanor unless he ticks the judge off somehow. Though it does sometimes happen that a first time misdemeanant gets jail, it's pretty rare, at least here.
Bob
This is one that should be a felony based on the video, but maybe they don't have one or, for some reason, chose not to file it.
Not much chance of jail for a misdemeanor unless he ticks the judge off somehow. Though it does sometimes happen that a first time misdemeanant gets jail, it's pretty rare, at least here.
Bob
I cannot believe my eyes. I also can't believe some of these responses.
By WHAT stretch of the imagination does that defenseless kid deserve that beating from a grown man? and a LEO, no less? She can't be 120 lbs, so what could she possibly have done, that she deserved to be kicked, slung around by her hair and beaten...by someone that has sworn to 'serve and protect?'. For kicking her shoe?! Give me a break! There is NO excuse.
I was lippy at 15, too. My mom slapped me across the face... but no one beat me with a fist or put their knee on my neck!
He's out of control and needs to be removed from law enforcement. If he can't control himself any better than that, the next person...well, gee, someone already died, didn't they?
When I had a creep that threatened me, I was old enough to buy a gun. What defense did she have in this situation? The other officer, and he didn't do anything to help her, either.
one wonders if he's married.....
By WHAT stretch of the imagination does that defenseless kid deserve that beating from a grown man? and a LEO, no less? She can't be 120 lbs, so what could she possibly have done, that she deserved to be kicked, slung around by her hair and beaten...by someone that has sworn to 'serve and protect?'. For kicking her shoe?! Give me a break! There is NO excuse.
I was lippy at 15, too. My mom slapped me across the face... but no one beat me with a fist or put their knee on my neck!
He's out of control and needs to be removed from law enforcement. If he can't control himself any better than that, the next person...well, gee, someone already died, didn't they?
When I had a creep that threatened me, I was old enough to buy a gun. What defense did she have in this situation? The other officer, and he didn't do anything to help her, either.
one wonders if he's married.....
Wickahoney
US Veteran
As a retired LEO there is simply NOTHING she did or could have done or said that remotely justifies the reactions of the deputy. The other guy shouldn't hold his head very high either.
Gee she kicked her shoe off and it hit him in the shin.
According to the news he has been charged with a felony. The assualt on a juvenile may be a felony in and of itself. If not, the assault under the cover of athority would be here. In fact here the abuse of athority bumps it up one degree.
No idea how he passed the psych test but his carreer is over. Even if he pleads it will be to a violent misdemeanor and as far as I know it will preclude him from carrying a weapon.
Telling tales I guess but in my years I met a few guys I REALLY REALLY didn't like that were fellow officers. I'm sure they didn't like me.
Three have ended their careers after being convicted of spousal abuse or child abuse for battery on a family member, which sadly sure wasn't a surprise to me.
If there is one up side to there being cameras everywhere it's that this type of behavior gets found out a lot sooner than it used to and it can't be ignored or swept under the rug.
RWT
Gee she kicked her shoe off and it hit him in the shin.
According to the news he has been charged with a felony. The assualt on a juvenile may be a felony in and of itself. If not, the assault under the cover of athority would be here. In fact here the abuse of athority bumps it up one degree.
No idea how he passed the psych test but his carreer is over. Even if he pleads it will be to a violent misdemeanor and as far as I know it will preclude him from carrying a weapon.
Telling tales I guess but in my years I met a few guys I REALLY REALLY didn't like that were fellow officers. I'm sure they didn't like me.
Three have ended their careers after being convicted of spousal abuse or child abuse for battery on a family member, which sadly sure wasn't a surprise to me.
If there is one up side to there being cameras everywhere it's that this type of behavior gets found out a lot sooner than it used to and it can't be ignored or swept under the rug.
RWT
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She probable got exactly what she deserved,..
billhud
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For assault against a junenile so many years your junior? Are you certain?
And if no "thought of no pension and cell block salad tossing enters their heads"?
billhud
US Veteran
Have you ever wondered why there even are"cop bashing" threads?
BarbC
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My daughter was like that (foul-mouthed, baiting and confrontational) and it takes a lot of self-control not to over-react and go over the edge.
At minimum, the cop needs a suspension period and mandatory counselling.
At minimum, the cop needs a suspension period and mandatory counselling.
straightshooter1
US Veteran
billhud-
If this is indeed a misdemeanor, (apparently another poster saw somewhere that it is a felony though the OP's story says not) then there is no prison and only the possibility of jail.
Judges look at the whole defendant, not just the act. Sometimes they see this is an aberration, sometimes they see this is a continuing part of their lifestyle.
In this case, absent this action, the cop will look pretty good to the judge, especially compared with those he sees more regularly.
This act is bad. What the judge will do, (assuming the prosecutor and defense don't between themselves work out a dispostion) is determine what a proper punishment is for someone who has never been in trouble with the law before.
He will consider the act, the injuries, what she says about the incident and what he may say.
All that assumes a guilty or nolo plea. If he goes to trial, all bets are off.
I still can't believe this isn't a felony. But, even so, the chances of imprisonment are remote.
retiredswine:
I noticed that you seem to take the officer's side even when the facts of a particular case suggest the officer may be at fault.
Then to say what you said here, without one shred of evidence to support such an assertion is very damaging to the image of LEOs and certainly supports the positions of those like billhud who apparently has never met a LEO he liked.
Even if she was a complete jerk, even if she "deserved" this, you really don't think she should have been treated like that, do you? Police never have been endowed with the power to "punish" though sometimes they have failed to comprehend that.
I hope that your comment was an attempt at sarcastic humor (which failed).
Bob
If this is indeed a misdemeanor, (apparently another poster saw somewhere that it is a felony though the OP's story says not) then there is no prison and only the possibility of jail.
Judges look at the whole defendant, not just the act. Sometimes they see this is an aberration, sometimes they see this is a continuing part of their lifestyle.
In this case, absent this action, the cop will look pretty good to the judge, especially compared with those he sees more regularly.
This act is bad. What the judge will do, (assuming the prosecutor and defense don't between themselves work out a dispostion) is determine what a proper punishment is for someone who has never been in trouble with the law before.
He will consider the act, the injuries, what she says about the incident and what he may say.
All that assumes a guilty or nolo plea. If he goes to trial, all bets are off.
I still can't believe this isn't a felony. But, even so, the chances of imprisonment are remote.
retiredswine:
I noticed that you seem to take the officer's side even when the facts of a particular case suggest the officer may be at fault.
Then to say what you said here, without one shred of evidence to support such an assertion is very damaging to the image of LEOs and certainly supports the positions of those like billhud who apparently has never met a LEO he liked.
Even if she was a complete jerk, even if she "deserved" this, you really don't think she should have been treated like that, do you? Police never have been endowed with the power to "punish" though sometimes they have failed to comprehend that.
I hope that your comment was an attempt at sarcastic humor (which failed).
Bob
For a long time, I supported law enforcement unconditionally. When "community activists" whined that police brutalized suspects, I shrugged it off. We've all seen the pictures and heard the crying mothers lamenting that "Leroy was a good boy." It's almost a joke.
But, sometimes the police really do beat people and sometimes they really do fabricate evidence and sometimes they really do far worse. In Atlanta, the narcotics unit fabricated a story to get a search warrant, invaded an elderly ladies home, shot 92-year old Kathryn Johnston to death, and tried to cover it up.
http://publicbroadcasting.net/...=1473666§ionID=1
Now, it is true that a normal citizen might only get 90 days for such a battery, but police officers are not normal citizens. They are trusted with a badge, expected to live up to their oaths, and allowed to exert considerable authority over the rest of us. They do need to be held to high standards of conduct. If this officer is as guilty as the videotape makes him look, his career as a LEO needs to be over. It need not ruin his life, but he is clearly not up to the stress of his current job.
That being said. The officer needs his day in court and we need to presume that he is innocent. We also need to give Leroy from the 'hood the benefit of the doubt. His mama might be right. He might really be a good boy. The little bag of meth that seems to materialize in every beater car with a bad tail light as shown on COPS might not always come from between the seats. It's a little scary to think about. . .
But, sometimes the police really do beat people and sometimes they really do fabricate evidence and sometimes they really do far worse. In Atlanta, the narcotics unit fabricated a story to get a search warrant, invaded an elderly ladies home, shot 92-year old Kathryn Johnston to death, and tried to cover it up.
http://publicbroadcasting.net/...=1473666§ionID=1
Now, it is true that a normal citizen might only get 90 days for such a battery, but police officers are not normal citizens. They are trusted with a badge, expected to live up to their oaths, and allowed to exert considerable authority over the rest of us. They do need to be held to high standards of conduct. If this officer is as guilty as the videotape makes him look, his career as a LEO needs to be over. It need not ruin his life, but he is clearly not up to the stress of his current job.
That being said. The officer needs his day in court and we need to presume that he is innocent. We also need to give Leroy from the 'hood the benefit of the doubt. His mama might be right. He might really be a good boy. The little bag of meth that seems to materialize in every beater car with a bad tail light as shown on COPS might not always come from between the seats. It's a little scary to think about. . .
rburg
Member
Trolling isn't an honored past time here on the board. If you believe what you wrote, I feel sorry for you, and the people you met in your career who you felt deserved the punishment you dished out.
billhud
US Veteran
"Absence this act..." Therein lies the rub, especially consider the cop beat a juvenile because his shin was "injured".
Just think what he might have done if his injured shin (which did not slow him down one bit as he smashed the girls face into the wall) had been coupled with a hang nail or, GOD forbid, a paper cut! That would have made for a very bad day!
cmort666
Member
Somebody on Fox News pointed out something interesting this morning.
As part of his "justification", the cop claimed he was injured by the shoe. However, if you look at the video, he apparently slams his own shin against the stainless steel toilet in the holding cell, injuring HIMSELF.
Kind of an interesting justification for the attack, huh? He beat her because of something he did to himself AFTER he started beating her.
I'm always fascinated by the stupid things people say when they get themselves in a jam. He's just like every other dolt, from a liquor store robber to the former Governor of New Jersey.
TNDixieGirl
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If dude can't handle a shoe to the shin (especially with no foot in it), then he's a sorry excuse of a man to begin with.
billhud
US Veteran
Whatever "injury" the flipped shoe caused the cop's shin, it couldn't have been much. at least not enough to slow down his attack as he slammed the girls's head into the wall (which as you posted may likely have been when his shin was hurt).
W Fargo
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I found it almost sickening watching that video. I hope he has to do time and gets what he deserves in prison. If it were to happen to my daughter it would have been the end of the line for this coward.
imjin138
US Veteran
After 17 years working in a prison most of it with females, I can say truthfully you get insulted verbally almost every day. I would be lying if I said I never got angry about it, but I always remember that I have the keys.
Inmates always insult officers, its part of the job, now some officers may get revenge in some way most of us don't because its not worth stooping to their level.
I do cell entires and lock ups almost every day and they are video taped. We always try to stay within policy and training, sometimes the dynamic of the situation prevents us from doing so. But we never intentionally try to hurt an inmate while in restraints, its not worth what you lose.
If he is wrong the courts will decide, and I am sure his department is already working on some disciplinary measures that will make his life misirable. then there is the press and lawyers and the family that sue him.
So all in all I guess he will pay the reaper when his time comes.
Inmates always insult officers, its part of the job, now some officers may get revenge in some way most of us don't because its not worth stooping to their level.
I do cell entires and lock ups almost every day and they are video taped. We always try to stay within policy and training, sometimes the dynamic of the situation prevents us from doing so. But we never intentionally try to hurt an inmate while in restraints, its not worth what you lose.
If he is wrong the courts will decide, and I am sure his department is already working on some disciplinary measures that will make his life misirable. then there is the press and lawyers and the family that sue him.
So all in all I guess he will pay the reaper when his time comes.
imjin138
US Veteran
Just as a personal aside, my oldest daughter is autistic, with Asperger's syndrome. She has times in which she becomes overwhelmed and emotionally melts down with name calling, threats and resistance.
The hall cops there are hired from the local PD and treat the HS kids as if they were hardened criminals. More than once I arrived to find her in full restraints with the cops, teachers and social workers screaming at her, threatening her with tasers and pepper spray.
I told the Sergeant in charge that I found his behavior unprofessional because he was in charge and was supposed to deescalate rather than escalate. He then threatened me with obstruction and his pepper spray.
I calmly showed him my badge and ID and everything went quiet. I spoke to his boss who I knew, and explained to him what was going on.
I run the segregation unit, and ERU team at my facility along with a mental health unit, not exactly what I bargained for when I started but thats the way it goes.
We video tape all cell entires and other important events to protect ourselves and the inmate. Sometimes we find out gaps in our training and we correct them.
I have a senior POSC instructor on our staff at the prison and he is very good at teaching the use of force. I woild never use him for cell entires because he loses his temper and tends to escalate the inmate and resorts to force almost immediatly.
One example his wife was working in the Seg unit and she accidentally gave a book to an inmate who was on loss of library. She called me I spoke to the inmate who refused to give up the book and I walked away. She called her husband the POSC man and he wanted to immediatly to extract a paper back book.
I explained to him and her that instead of putting my staff at physical risk and risking injury to them and the inmate we would let her have her book until her supper tray arrived. the we would trade the tray for the book.
Neither of them liked that idea, but since I am the boss thats what we did, no fuss no muss and no one got hurt.
The hall cops there are hired from the local PD and treat the HS kids as if they were hardened criminals. More than once I arrived to find her in full restraints with the cops, teachers and social workers screaming at her, threatening her with tasers and pepper spray.
I told the Sergeant in charge that I found his behavior unprofessional because he was in charge and was supposed to deescalate rather than escalate. He then threatened me with obstruction and his pepper spray.
I calmly showed him my badge and ID and everything went quiet. I spoke to his boss who I knew, and explained to him what was going on.
I run the segregation unit, and ERU team at my facility along with a mental health unit, not exactly what I bargained for when I started but thats the way it goes.
We video tape all cell entires and other important events to protect ourselves and the inmate. Sometimes we find out gaps in our training and we correct them.
I have a senior POSC instructor on our staff at the prison and he is very good at teaching the use of force. I woild never use him for cell entires because he loses his temper and tends to escalate the inmate and resorts to force almost immediatly.
One example his wife was working in the Seg unit and she accidentally gave a book to an inmate who was on loss of library. She called me I spoke to the inmate who refused to give up the book and I walked away. She called her husband the POSC man and he wanted to immediatly to extract a paper back book.
I explained to him and her that instead of putting my staff at physical risk and risking injury to them and the inmate we would let her have her book until her supper tray arrived. the we would trade the tray for the book.
Neither of them liked that idea, but since I am the boss thats what we did, no fuss no muss and no one got hurt.
billhud
US Veteran
The CO made a mistake, and they wanted to take down a cell for her mistake? You certainly handled that situation well. I'm willing to bet your solution worked rather easily even if two other COs weren't pleased with it.
imjin138
US Veteran
I thought so, but the union didn't. They said we gave up our authority. I told them we shouldn't have given her the book in the first place.
billhud
US Veteran
Exactly. The mistake was in giving the book. No reason to compound it.
Hermann
Member
Couldn´t have said it better!!! + 1!
armybass
US Veteran
I am totally pro LEO and will back up LEO's to the hilt....with that said, there is NO excuse for this. He gives good officers a bad name. Doesn't he know there are CAMERAS in the cells? He clearly lost his cool. Just stupid.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
I never was a LEO or CO. I was a lowly security officer for 35 years at one of the biggest companys in the world. More employees than the average town. What we did have going for us is all had their job to lose. I retired with #1 badge, probley in the history of the company. With that many people even as a dumb guard, I had experience dealing with "nuts" and incidents almost daily. I never had to work someone over. Probley had to restrain a few until local LEO took them.
My question is this. Lets assume most of us watched a few episolds of "Jesse Stone", like last night. That and other movies like it almost every night.
Usualy we see spots where a BG is misbehaveing, but not yet to the point where the LEO has enough to take him in, but is takeing verbal abuse from the BG. Maybe Jesse, or whoever else "trips" him or something. We silently cheer and get satisfaction out of the scene. Yet, when we see it for real by hidden video as on this incident, we want to lyinch the officer that was already said that he has been tounge lashed as a F,n lazy fat pig etc, for pulling over and arresting the girl who stold a car he was looking for?
I am not giveing him a pass here, its just a observation on our own behavior as tv viewers.
Inquireing minds got to know!
My question is this. Lets assume most of us watched a few episolds of "Jesse Stone", like last night. That and other movies like it almost every night.
Usualy we see spots where a BG is misbehaveing, but not yet to the point where the LEO has enough to take him in, but is takeing verbal abuse from the BG. Maybe Jesse, or whoever else "trips" him or something. We silently cheer and get satisfaction out of the scene. Yet, when we see it for real by hidden video as on this incident, we want to lyinch the officer that was already said that he has been tounge lashed as a F,n lazy fat pig etc, for pulling over and arresting the girl who stold a car he was looking for?
I am not giveing him a pass here, its just a observation on our own behavior as tv viewers.
Inquireing minds got to know!
Because we didn't get a speeding ticket from the Hollywood cop on TV. We know he's not real.
I always wondered sort of the same thing about the military. Service members are sworn to uphold the Constitution, and according to many, during times of war they're engaged in protecting us, they're held to a higher standard based on various codes of ethics, etc. but never a day goes by when you can't find a story more than a couple months old of incidents of service men raping children, executing prisoners, committing any number of heinous felonies against women....Yet we never see any threads bashing them. Why is that? Out of sight out of mind? Or is it because some of the more virulnet cop-haters were members of that particular group? Any ideas? Politically correct to point out the wrongdoings of the few bad apples in the police barrel, but unpatriotic to do so with the military?
I'm not doubting that most here would say "throw the book at him" with regard to the military felon too "He disgraced the uniform, I would have shot him myself" etc., but why is there such a dearth of interest compared to when a cop screws up? They're both held to a higher standard, they're both in positions of power, often over defenseless, or near defenseless victims, often armed....
Some guys seem to enjoy posting every cop trangression they can, as if these sorts of things are the rule rather than the exception.
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