Again, I'll let it go, but I think if I grabbed a 15 year old girl, slammed her into a cement wall and then on to a cement floor by the hair where I handcuffed her and then punched her in the head, I think in some places in this county you could actually do a stretch in jail. A friend of mine in the 80's clocked a bouncer, knocked out a few of his teeth. He served 90 days for assault. I'm fairly certain his police record previously involved no violent crime.
LEO Beats up 15 yo girl in cell
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Pitdog02
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Hot damn! thats what I call givin it to us both barrels.
Somehow I sense the ring of truth in your statement.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Let it go. At least till after the verdic. We cant do anything either way, anyway.
straightshooter1
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Yeah, I didn't see it was a misdemeanor. She's 15 and, in Florida, we just don't have a misdemeanor for child abuse. We felonized everything it seems.
This is one that should be a felony based on the video, but maybe they don't have one or, for some reason, chose not to file it.
Not much chance of jail for a misdemeanor unless he ticks the judge off somehow. Though it does sometimes happen that a first time misdemeanant gets jail, it's pretty rare, at least here.
Bob
This is one that should be a felony based on the video, but maybe they don't have one or, for some reason, chose not to file it.
Not much chance of jail for a misdemeanor unless he ticks the judge off somehow. Though it does sometimes happen that a first time misdemeanant gets jail, it's pretty rare, at least here.
Bob
I cannot believe my eyes. I also can't believe some of these responses.
By WHAT stretch of the imagination does that defenseless kid deserve that beating from a grown man? and a LEO, no less? She can't be 120 lbs, so what could she possibly have done, that she deserved to be kicked, slung around by her hair and beaten...by someone that has sworn to 'serve and protect?'. For kicking her shoe?! Give me a break! There is NO excuse.
I was lippy at 15, too. My mom slapped me across the face... but no one beat me with a fist or put their knee on my neck!
He's out of control and needs to be removed from law enforcement. If he can't control himself any better than that, the next person...well, gee, someone already died, didn't they?
When I had a creep that threatened me, I was old enough to buy a gun. What defense did she have in this situation? The other officer, and he didn't do anything to help her, either.
one wonders if he's married.....
By WHAT stretch of the imagination does that defenseless kid deserve that beating from a grown man? and a LEO, no less? She can't be 120 lbs, so what could she possibly have done, that she deserved to be kicked, slung around by her hair and beaten...by someone that has sworn to 'serve and protect?'. For kicking her shoe?! Give me a break! There is NO excuse.
I was lippy at 15, too. My mom slapped me across the face... but no one beat me with a fist or put their knee on my neck!
He's out of control and needs to be removed from law enforcement. If he can't control himself any better than that, the next person...well, gee, someone already died, didn't they?
When I had a creep that threatened me, I was old enough to buy a gun. What defense did she have in this situation? The other officer, and he didn't do anything to help her, either.
one wonders if he's married.....
Wickahoney
US Veteran
As a retired LEO there is simply NOTHING she did or could have done or said that remotely justifies the reactions of the deputy. The other guy shouldn't hold his head very high either.
Gee she kicked her shoe off and it hit him in the shin.
According to the news he has been charged with a felony. The assualt on a juvenile may be a felony in and of itself. If not, the assault under the cover of athority would be here. In fact here the abuse of athority bumps it up one degree.
No idea how he passed the psych test but his carreer is over. Even if he pleads it will be to a violent misdemeanor and as far as I know it will preclude him from carrying a weapon.
Telling tales I guess but in my years I met a few guys I REALLY REALLY didn't like that were fellow officers. I'm sure they didn't like me.
Three have ended their careers after being convicted of spousal abuse or child abuse for battery on a family member, which sadly sure wasn't a surprise to me.
If there is one up side to there being cameras everywhere it's that this type of behavior gets found out a lot sooner than it used to and it can't be ignored or swept under the rug.
RWT
Gee she kicked her shoe off and it hit him in the shin.
According to the news he has been charged with a felony. The assualt on a juvenile may be a felony in and of itself. If not, the assault under the cover of athority would be here. In fact here the abuse of athority bumps it up one degree.
No idea how he passed the psych test but his carreer is over. Even if he pleads it will be to a violent misdemeanor and as far as I know it will preclude him from carrying a weapon.
Telling tales I guess but in my years I met a few guys I REALLY REALLY didn't like that were fellow officers. I'm sure they didn't like me.
Three have ended their careers after being convicted of spousal abuse or child abuse for battery on a family member, which sadly sure wasn't a surprise to me.
If there is one up side to there being cameras everywhere it's that this type of behavior gets found out a lot sooner than it used to and it can't be ignored or swept under the rug.
RWT
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She probable got exactly what she deserved,..
billhud
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For assault against a junenile so many years your junior? Are you certain?
And if no "thought of no pension and cell block salad tossing enters their heads"?
billhud
US Veteran
Have you ever wondered why there even are"cop bashing" threads?
BarbC
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My daughter was like that (foul-mouthed, baiting and confrontational) and it takes a lot of self-control not to over-react and go over the edge.
At minimum, the cop needs a suspension period and mandatory counselling.
At minimum, the cop needs a suspension period and mandatory counselling.
straightshooter1
US Veteran
billhud-
If this is indeed a misdemeanor, (apparently another poster saw somewhere that it is a felony though the OP's story says not) then there is no prison and only the possibility of jail.
Judges look at the whole defendant, not just the act. Sometimes they see this is an aberration, sometimes they see this is a continuing part of their lifestyle.
In this case, absent this action, the cop will look pretty good to the judge, especially compared with those he sees more regularly.
This act is bad. What the judge will do, (assuming the prosecutor and defense don't between themselves work out a dispostion) is determine what a proper punishment is for someone who has never been in trouble with the law before.
He will consider the act, the injuries, what she says about the incident and what he may say.
All that assumes a guilty or nolo plea. If he goes to trial, all bets are off.
I still can't believe this isn't a felony. But, even so, the chances of imprisonment are remote.
retiredswine:
I noticed that you seem to take the officer's side even when the facts of a particular case suggest the officer may be at fault.
Then to say what you said here, without one shred of evidence to support such an assertion is very damaging to the image of LEOs and certainly supports the positions of those like billhud who apparently has never met a LEO he liked.
Even if she was a complete jerk, even if she "deserved" this, you really don't think she should have been treated like that, do you? Police never have been endowed with the power to "punish" though sometimes they have failed to comprehend that.
I hope that your comment was an attempt at sarcastic humor (which failed).
Bob
If this is indeed a misdemeanor, (apparently another poster saw somewhere that it is a felony though the OP's story says not) then there is no prison and only the possibility of jail.
Judges look at the whole defendant, not just the act. Sometimes they see this is an aberration, sometimes they see this is a continuing part of their lifestyle.
In this case, absent this action, the cop will look pretty good to the judge, especially compared with those he sees more regularly.
This act is bad. What the judge will do, (assuming the prosecutor and defense don't between themselves work out a dispostion) is determine what a proper punishment is for someone who has never been in trouble with the law before.
He will consider the act, the injuries, what she says about the incident and what he may say.
All that assumes a guilty or nolo plea. If he goes to trial, all bets are off.
I still can't believe this isn't a felony. But, even so, the chances of imprisonment are remote.
retiredswine:
I noticed that you seem to take the officer's side even when the facts of a particular case suggest the officer may be at fault.
Then to say what you said here, without one shred of evidence to support such an assertion is very damaging to the image of LEOs and certainly supports the positions of those like billhud who apparently has never met a LEO he liked.
Even if she was a complete jerk, even if she "deserved" this, you really don't think she should have been treated like that, do you? Police never have been endowed with the power to "punish" though sometimes they have failed to comprehend that.
I hope that your comment was an attempt at sarcastic humor (which failed).
Bob
For a long time, I supported law enforcement unconditionally. When "community activists" whined that police brutalized suspects, I shrugged it off. We've all seen the pictures and heard the crying mothers lamenting that "Leroy was a good boy." It's almost a joke.
But, sometimes the police really do beat people and sometimes they really do fabricate evidence and sometimes they really do far worse. In Atlanta, the narcotics unit fabricated a story to get a search warrant, invaded an elderly ladies home, shot 92-year old Kathryn Johnston to death, and tried to cover it up.
http://publicbroadcasting.net/...=1473666§ionID=1
Now, it is true that a normal citizen might only get 90 days for such a battery, but police officers are not normal citizens. They are trusted with a badge, expected to live up to their oaths, and allowed to exert considerable authority over the rest of us. They do need to be held to high standards of conduct. If this officer is as guilty as the videotape makes him look, his career as a LEO needs to be over. It need not ruin his life, but he is clearly not up to the stress of his current job.
That being said. The officer needs his day in court and we need to presume that he is innocent. We also need to give Leroy from the 'hood the benefit of the doubt. His mama might be right. He might really be a good boy. The little bag of meth that seems to materialize in every beater car with a bad tail light as shown on COPS might not always come from between the seats. It's a little scary to think about. . .
But, sometimes the police really do beat people and sometimes they really do fabricate evidence and sometimes they really do far worse. In Atlanta, the narcotics unit fabricated a story to get a search warrant, invaded an elderly ladies home, shot 92-year old Kathryn Johnston to death, and tried to cover it up.
http://publicbroadcasting.net/...=1473666§ionID=1
Now, it is true that a normal citizen might only get 90 days for such a battery, but police officers are not normal citizens. They are trusted with a badge, expected to live up to their oaths, and allowed to exert considerable authority over the rest of us. They do need to be held to high standards of conduct. If this officer is as guilty as the videotape makes him look, his career as a LEO needs to be over. It need not ruin his life, but he is clearly not up to the stress of his current job.
That being said. The officer needs his day in court and we need to presume that he is innocent. We also need to give Leroy from the 'hood the benefit of the doubt. His mama might be right. He might really be a good boy. The little bag of meth that seems to materialize in every beater car with a bad tail light as shown on COPS might not always come from between the seats. It's a little scary to think about. . .
rburg
Member
Trolling isn't an honored past time here on the board. If you believe what you wrote, I feel sorry for you, and the people you met in your career who you felt deserved the punishment you dished out.
billhud
US Veteran
"Absence this act..." Therein lies the rub, especially consider the cop beat a juvenile because his shin was "injured".
Just think what he might have done if his injured shin (which did not slow him down one bit as he smashed the girls face into the wall) had been coupled with a hang nail or, GOD forbid, a paper cut! That would have made for a very bad day!
cmort666
Member
Somebody on Fox News pointed out something interesting this morning.
As part of his "justification", the cop claimed he was injured by the shoe. However, if you look at the video, he apparently slams his own shin against the stainless steel toilet in the holding cell, injuring HIMSELF.
Kind of an interesting justification for the attack, huh? He beat her because of something he did to himself AFTER he started beating her.
I'm always fascinated by the stupid things people say when they get themselves in a jam. He's just like every other dolt, from a liquor store robber to the former Governor of New Jersey.
TNDixieGirl
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If dude can't handle a shoe to the shin (especially with no foot in it), then he's a sorry excuse of a man to begin with.
billhud
US Veteran
Whatever "injury" the flipped shoe caused the cop's shin, it couldn't have been much. at least not enough to slow down his attack as he slammed the girls's head into the wall (which as you posted may likely have been when his shin was hurt).
