LEO Beats up 15 yo girl in cell

[boomstick]

This is just off the top of my head, but, if soldiers rape or steal or murder or brutalize, it is to people somewhere in another country.

I was thinking of the police reports right here at home, especially, but not limited to on and around any large military installation in the country.

 

[TNDixieGirl]

I was thinking of the police reports right here at home, especially, but not limited to on and around any large military installation in the country.

Then post them. I'll gladly bash ANYONE that treats another person in an unacceptable manner. I don't care if you're a cop, a soldier, a teacher, a preacher, a lawyer, a doctor or a pig farmer.

 

[Jeb Stonewall]

Originally posted by BarbC:
My daughter was like that (foul-mouthed, baiting and confrontational) and it takes a lot of self-control not to over-react and go over the edge.

At minimum, the cop needs a suspension period and mandatory counselling.

SUSPENSION? COUNSELLING?!!!!!!!!
Lets see- the girl gets lippy and kicks her shoe off!
So this tough guy who is around 100# more than the (15 YEAR OLD ----GIRL---)Slams her!
THEN after she is handcuffed ,,he bravely throws a few more punches!

If this spinless !!$# gets what he really needs it would consist of a baseball bat in the girls fathers hands and a 6 foot deep hole to dump this poor excuse for a man in.

 

[Pitdog02]

I guess the thing that bothers me is, what if that was a 270lb nfl linebacker type standing there? I doubt he would have lost his cool so fast for the same offense. He made it so personal the way he kept deliberately going to her head and face and hair. This guy has some underlying issues going on. I just find that women and chidren beaters are usually the biggest jerks goin from my limited experience.

 

[Wickahoney]

I spent a while and had typed out a very long explanation and history. I have now erased it. What it boils down to is that some people simply should NOT be police officers or placed in any other position of resposability, period.

Sometime it doesn't even reflect that they are bad or evil people, just ill suited for a job where you have to take a lot of BS.
I have a cousin that aparently thought he'd be a police officer because I was one and after all if I was it couldn't possibly be that hard.

Dennis is not stupid. What he is, is a kid from a very small town with a very narrow world view who simply didn't/couldn't understand he could meet out summary punishment just because he was dealing with a bad person. Luckily he was never able to pass the test for any agency, much to his shock. He makes a much better truck driver than he would have a police officer.

respectfully

R W Thomas

 

[imjin138]

The job is very frustrating, of that there is no doubt. That being said if one of my staff did what was on the tape without any justification he would be on leave awaiting his hearing. He would be looking at in the very least time off, termination and charges filed at the local level.

I have one sergeant off on 9 months wthout pay for OWI, firing his handgun indiscrimanatly and not reporting to us once he was arrested.

After this guy on the tape is finished i expect the girl and her family will sue him and his department and get a lot of tax payer money to spend.

There have been a lot of times in th elast 17 years when i wanted to smack the crap out of some jack ass and you have to let it go because it is not worth it.

 

[rburg]

Originally posted by imjin138:
if one of my staff did what was on the tape without any justification

I think what most of us are saying is we can't imagine the justification for what we saw. Its a good thing I'm not a judge. I think I'd warn both the defendant and his counsel to be very careful with what they say. Any lame excuse or excuse not backed up with other evidence would just make me less inclined to view them favorably.

I would think the defendant would want to keep this one delayed for as long as possible. I also wonder what the PD involved is doing. Both about the rogue cop and his uninvolved and silent partner. The partner who didn't come forward instantly, and who probably doesn't value his job much. There are limits, this one appears over it.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/...402005_schene03.html

 

[cmort666]

Something I've noticed about some of these high profile assaults is that they are indicative of cowardice by the perpetrator. When you beat up a woman you outweigh by 100lb.s or sap an old man handcuffed to a wheelchair, that says to me that you're picking on the people you think you can take without risk to yourself.

I wouldn't want to work with somebody like that, whether I was a cop or a landscaper. I wouldn't trust my life to somebody so fundamentally bereft of character and human decency.

 

[feralmerril]

It does look like 1939 germany. If you time the incident, I didnt, its a life changing 15 secounds.
Sounds like she was a problem at home, had to live elsewhere, admittedly called cops fat pigs and other things all the way, hit the hot button after a hour or two of it, the cop lost his cool, lively hood and everything he owned.
Lots of schooling and training down the drain!
I should be rich as buffett for my teen years in comparison! Think about it, that might be almost equal to one football play that we used to do for free!

 

[Dude]

Originally posted by boomstick:
How come stories of "protectors gone bad" are so much more popular around here when the protectors are cops vs. some other group?

I don't hold the military to as high a standard as the police.

1. Most military service members are quite young. Age 22 or less. They are kids stepping up to serve the country when many of their contemporaries are drinking themselves into oblivion at college parties. When these young people fail, it is often a failure of military doctrine or leadership.

2. Many enlisted servicemembers come from less than ideal circumstances and are trying to make something of themselves. I don't think they are perfect people.

It's not like the Abu Graib situation didn't get plenty of airtime. The military got smeared through the mud.

As for the cops, I do have higher expectations of them. Cops are generally a little older and a little more mature than young soldiers. They also work in closer proximity to me. I expect them to be a little wiser and a little more judicious in their conduct. If they are going to enforce societies laws, codes, morals, and values, then I expect them to adhere to those same values.

 

[handejector]

Obviously, this cop is WRONG, and there is no way to condone his actions.

While NOT intending to justify his actions, I think it interesting to point out the circumstances of her arrest.

From the article:

"The girl was arrested after she was caught in her parents' car, <span class="ev_code_red">which had been reported stolen from her parents' Tukwila home.</span> Deputy Travis Brunner spotted the car <span class="ev_code_red">driving without headlights about 3:45 a.m.</span> on 32nd Avenue South in SeaTac and pulled it over.

<span class="ev_code_red">She and another 15-yearold girl</span> were arrested and taken to SeaTac City Hall to be fingerprinted before being transported to the youth detention center.

The deputies apparently didn't know until later that the girl, <span class="ev_code_red">who was in the passenger seat, was related to the car's owner.</span>"

Hmmmmm......So, we have a 15 yr old, who stole her parent's car, is allowing ANOTHER 15 yr old to drive it at 3:45 in the morning WITHOUT lights, and the cops don't know they aren't plain old car thiefs. I can't believe either had a license.
Again, I am NOT justifying the cop's actions.
I am just inclined to believe this girl has had encounters with the Law before. I predict she will also have many more in her life.

If I had stolen my Dad's car when I was 15, and got caught letting another 15 yr old drive it at 3:45am without lights, I would have asked that cop to ADOPT me before I would have gone home to face Dad.....

As I have said, I have no problem with specific incidents being discussed here.


I like the post straightshooter1 made:

LEOs are authority figures. They have the power to stop, hold, ask questions, etc. So, one reason is that it is kind of a turnabout to bash them in some way.

Another reason:

Nobody cares about the Preacher who spends his life preaching God's Word or the elementary school teacher who spends her career teaching 6 and 7 year olds to read, write, etc. Who wants to read about the politician who faithfully tries to conduct his business in the way in constituents want (OK-maybe a mythical creature) or the lawyer who simply does his or her job?

Or, the cop who faithfully patrols his area of responsibility for years, making arrests of bad guys, writing some tickets, working crashes, etc?

But let one of them cross the line and they are food for the media and people like us.

I think there's something in us as humans that delights when someone like that falls.

Bob

A lot of truth there about human nature.
Let's just all be eternally grateful there are never charges placed for beating a dead horse.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by Dude:
As for the cops, I do have higher expectations of them. Cops are generally a little older and a little more mature than young soldiers. They also work in closer proximity to me. I expect them to be a little wiser and a little more judicious in their conduct. If they are going to enforce societies laws, codes, morals, and values, then I expect them to adhere to those same values.

More fundamentally, my job as an infantryman was NOT to uphold the law. It was to KILL PEOPLE and destroy their equipment to further a political goal of some sort. I was never taught to warn anyone. I was never taught to "deescalate" the situation. I was taught to kill people in pretty much any way I could, be it shooting, explosives, fire, or if necessary, the sharpened edge of an entrenching tool. EVERYTHING else was a means to that end.

That's one objection to what people see as the militarization of law enforcement. Police and soldiers have fundamentally different jobs. I know some people would like treat parts of Chicago, or Saint Louis or NYC like Fallujah or Aachen, but the US Constitution doesn't permit such things.

 

[sigp220.45]

Those who think this deputy will:

- get a walk

- go to another department

- continue with his LE career

should take a look here.

I have no inside information on this case, but in my experience in other matters of this type I'd say this fellow is in serious trouble.

If Schene is prosecuted and found guilty of depriving Calhoun of her civil rights while acting in his official capacity, he could face up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine, Harris said.

 

[Senior Citizen]

Originally posted by imjin138:
The job is very frustrating, of that there is no doubt. QUOTE]

I pulled this gig for 14 years in a 4 level pirson, Max, Close, Min and community custody.

We also house Close Mamagement I, II's and III's. The CMI's were by far the dirtiest hardest to deal with. ALways 2 on 1 supervision for officer and inmate safety.

Every day I came to work with a smile on my face and hoped that the 7 other officers that I worked closely with and who along with me took about 110 minimum and community custody inmates of of the west gate to do ground work, warehouse workers, waste water workers and sanitation workers. Rarely a problem with one of them. They and the staff both had different attitudes about the job/ and "clients.

We were (and they still are) very proficient at reading body language, lieing faces and inmate jargon. Sometimes we/they would have cause to take one down who was trying to slip someting back in the gate that someone had dropped off for him or handed him directly. As long as you never let it get personal until he puts his hands on you or you had to put your hands on him.........NO WORRIES, He/She could talk all the bullshit they wanted about going to my house, doing the old lady and kicking my dog. I usually responded with a great big smile and saying " Why you want to kick my dog. I petted yours on the way out!

If an inmate went out of his way to try to embarrass or belittle you in front of his homies......well he is going to loose big time in front of his homies and possible get gassed, cuffed and drug by his heels to confinement. (the nurses would meet us there for a "pre-confinement pyhsical") When it was done it was time to laugh about it or kid the guy that had to do it or get kidded about your involvement.

We always joke that if you had to put your hands on one that you were lacking in your Inter-Personal Skills department and would always offer him/her a quick refresher course.

It's just a job. In the 14 years I never put my hand on an inmate with the intent of doing grave bodily harm. I was caused to outright fight a few times and was bound and determined to cause pain damages and receive as litle as possible, but when he was cuffed........it was over. Do some paper work, go let one of the purdy nurses do a complete body check for scratches and bruised and come home laughing about it while at the same time, replaying it in your head to see if you should have reacted a 1/2 second earlier or used a different take down method. Especially since you were on concrete!

Bottom line, it's a job. If you take everything a convict says to you to heart...... Go home and please stay there. You are more of a liability than an asset!!!!!!!!

Retired from FL DOD Jan 2, 2009

 

[rburg]

Originally posted by sigp220.45:
Those who think this deputy will:

- get a walk

- go to another department

- continue with his LE career

should take a look here.

I have no inside information on this case, but in my experience in other matters of this type I'd say this fellow is in serious trouble.

Federal prosecution is the last line of protection the citizens have. There is a fairly well founded feeling that some law enforcement agencies don't do a very good job of investigating misconduct in their ranks. I say that because of the multitude of high publicity cases we see. Since it happens on a continuing basis, we can only assume its the tip of the iceberg. Those cases only saw the light of day because of the wonders of video recording, and the arrogance of the person who does the dirty deed. For every one of those, we've got to assume some things.

First, most cops are smarter than your average person, significantly smarter than most criminals. There are notable exceptions, like the one this thread is about. But I would assume the smarter ones don't bother doing bad stuff in front of camera's, at least usually.

I've also noticed that most criminals don't get caught on their first escapade, or even the second. What finally happens is they've done so much bad stuff, they get careless. I'm guessing that description also applies to rotten cops. I'm also going to just guess the cops that beatdown Rodney King, the waitress in Chicago, or the poor old grandma in Atlanta weren't at their first rodeo.

Most of us also have gained the feeling (if only from the excuses made for other misconduct by fellow officers) that many cops give their brothers a pass on the first few incidents. But when the conduct is so flagrant it can't be ignored any longer, or its obvious that sooner or later it will result in someones death, action must be taken.

I'm going to guess its better if done on the Federal level when it gets that far. I have this feeling if we didn't have civil rights prosecutions, we'd be right where we were 50 years ago in racial relations.

The 15 YO girl we've been taking about might be a piece of work, and I just don't care. I'm having trouble imagining anything she could say to a professional LEO that would justify his actions. Worse, he was a training officer! Imagine what he's been teaching his rookie!

 

[Guest]

Dick; Here's the latest on this:

http://www.policelink.com/news...al=pl_nlet_20090305u

The Feds have been brought in.

 

[sigp220.45]

Those cases only saw the light of day because of the wonders of video recording, and the arrogance of the person who does the dirty deed.

As I said before, I put a law enforcement officer in federal prison for three years for punching out a drunk female, who didn't even know she had been punched. No videotape. No witnesses other than two officers who came forward because it was the right thing to do. The case got ZERO publicity. Literally, it never made the papers or the TV. The system actually works sometimes, without outside pressure.

 

[cudamank]

I really do hope the system works this time and promotes this officer to unemployed. He needs a new line of work.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by sigp220.45:

Those cases only saw the light of day because of the wonders of video recording, and the arrogance of the person who does the dirty deed.

As I said before, I put a law enforcement officer in federal prison for three years for punching out a drunk female, who didn't even know she had been punched. No videotape. No witnesses other than two officers who came forward because it was the right thing to do. The case got ZERO publicity. Literally, it never made the papers or the TV. The system actually works sometimes, without outside pressure.

The system works in a lot of places. It almost never works in other places. It just depends upon what the citizenry is willing to tolerate. Pretty much anybody, be they cop or MacDonald's drive-thru attendant will live up or down to the standards you set for them. If you keep reelecting a mayor and city council that allow your police department to operate like a Somali militia, you're getting EXACTLY what you want and vote for.

 

[Lt JL]

This dirtbag and his cowardly homey are not gonna walk. Trust me.