W Fargo
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I found it almost sickening watching that video. I hope he has to do time and gets what he deserves in prison. If it were to happen to my daughter it would have been the end of the line for this coward.
LEO Beats up 15 yo girl in cell
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imjin138
US Veteran
After 17 years working in a prison most of it with females, I can say truthfully you get insulted verbally almost every day. I would be lying if I said I never got angry about it, but I always remember that I have the keys.
Inmates always insult officers, its part of the job, now some officers may get revenge in some way most of us don't because its not worth stooping to their level.
I do cell entires and lock ups almost every day and they are video taped. We always try to stay within policy and training, sometimes the dynamic of the situation prevents us from doing so. But we never intentionally try to hurt an inmate while in restraints, its not worth what you lose.
If he is wrong the courts will decide, and I am sure his department is already working on some disciplinary measures that will make his life misirable. then there is the press and lawyers and the family that sue him.
So all in all I guess he will pay the reaper when his time comes.
Inmates always insult officers, its part of the job, now some officers may get revenge in some way most of us don't because its not worth stooping to their level.
I do cell entires and lock ups almost every day and they are video taped. We always try to stay within policy and training, sometimes the dynamic of the situation prevents us from doing so. But we never intentionally try to hurt an inmate while in restraints, its not worth what you lose.
If he is wrong the courts will decide, and I am sure his department is already working on some disciplinary measures that will make his life misirable. then there is the press and lawyers and the family that sue him.
So all in all I guess he will pay the reaper when his time comes.
imjin138
US Veteran
Just as a personal aside, my oldest daughter is autistic, with Asperger's syndrome. She has times in which she becomes overwhelmed and emotionally melts down with name calling, threats and resistance.
The hall cops there are hired from the local PD and treat the HS kids as if they were hardened criminals. More than once I arrived to find her in full restraints with the cops, teachers and social workers screaming at her, threatening her with tasers and pepper spray.
I told the Sergeant in charge that I found his behavior unprofessional because he was in charge and was supposed to deescalate rather than escalate. He then threatened me with obstruction and his pepper spray.
I calmly showed him my badge and ID and everything went quiet. I spoke to his boss who I knew, and explained to him what was going on.
I run the segregation unit, and ERU team at my facility along with a mental health unit, not exactly what I bargained for when I started but thats the way it goes.
We video tape all cell entires and other important events to protect ourselves and the inmate. Sometimes we find out gaps in our training and we correct them.
I have a senior POSC instructor on our staff at the prison and he is very good at teaching the use of force. I woild never use him for cell entires because he loses his temper and tends to escalate the inmate and resorts to force almost immediatly.
One example his wife was working in the Seg unit and she accidentally gave a book to an inmate who was on loss of library. She called me I spoke to the inmate who refused to give up the book and I walked away. She called her husband the POSC man and he wanted to immediatly to extract a paper back book.
I explained to him and her that instead of putting my staff at physical risk and risking injury to them and the inmate we would let her have her book until her supper tray arrived. the we would trade the tray for the book.
Neither of them liked that idea, but since I am the boss thats what we did, no fuss no muss and no one got hurt.
The hall cops there are hired from the local PD and treat the HS kids as if they were hardened criminals. More than once I arrived to find her in full restraints with the cops, teachers and social workers screaming at her, threatening her with tasers and pepper spray.
I told the Sergeant in charge that I found his behavior unprofessional because he was in charge and was supposed to deescalate rather than escalate. He then threatened me with obstruction and his pepper spray.
I calmly showed him my badge and ID and everything went quiet. I spoke to his boss who I knew, and explained to him what was going on.
I run the segregation unit, and ERU team at my facility along with a mental health unit, not exactly what I bargained for when I started but thats the way it goes.
We video tape all cell entires and other important events to protect ourselves and the inmate. Sometimes we find out gaps in our training and we correct them.
I have a senior POSC instructor on our staff at the prison and he is very good at teaching the use of force. I woild never use him for cell entires because he loses his temper and tends to escalate the inmate and resorts to force almost immediatly.
One example his wife was working in the Seg unit and she accidentally gave a book to an inmate who was on loss of library. She called me I spoke to the inmate who refused to give up the book and I walked away. She called her husband the POSC man and he wanted to immediatly to extract a paper back book.
I explained to him and her that instead of putting my staff at physical risk and risking injury to them and the inmate we would let her have her book until her supper tray arrived. the we would trade the tray for the book.
Neither of them liked that idea, but since I am the boss thats what we did, no fuss no muss and no one got hurt.
billhud
US Veteran
The CO made a mistake, and they wanted to take down a cell for her mistake? You certainly handled that situation well. I'm willing to bet your solution worked rather easily even if two other COs weren't pleased with it.
imjin138
US Veteran
I thought so, but the union didn't. They said we gave up our authority. I told them we shouldn't have given her the book in the first place.
billhud
US Veteran
Exactly. The mistake was in giving the book. No reason to compound it.
Hermann
Member
Couldn´t have said it better!!! + 1!
armybass
US Veteran
I am totally pro LEO and will back up LEO's to the hilt....with that said, there is NO excuse for this. He gives good officers a bad name. Doesn't he know there are CAMERAS in the cells? He clearly lost his cool. Just stupid.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
I never was a LEO or CO. I was a lowly security officer for 35 years at one of the biggest companys in the world. More employees than the average town. What we did have going for us is all had their job to lose. I retired with #1 badge, probley in the history of the company. With that many people even as a dumb guard, I had experience dealing with "nuts" and incidents almost daily. I never had to work someone over. Probley had to restrain a few until local LEO took them.
My question is this. Lets assume most of us watched a few episolds of "Jesse Stone", like last night. That and other movies like it almost every night.
Usualy we see spots where a BG is misbehaveing, but not yet to the point where the LEO has enough to take him in, but is takeing verbal abuse from the BG. Maybe Jesse, or whoever else "trips" him or something. We silently cheer and get satisfaction out of the scene. Yet, when we see it for real by hidden video as on this incident, we want to lyinch the officer that was already said that he has been tounge lashed as a F,n lazy fat pig etc, for pulling over and arresting the girl who stold a car he was looking for?
I am not giveing him a pass here, its just a observation on our own behavior as tv viewers.
Inquireing minds got to know!
My question is this. Lets assume most of us watched a few episolds of "Jesse Stone", like last night. That and other movies like it almost every night.
Usualy we see spots where a BG is misbehaveing, but not yet to the point where the LEO has enough to take him in, but is takeing verbal abuse from the BG. Maybe Jesse, or whoever else "trips" him or something. We silently cheer and get satisfaction out of the scene. Yet, when we see it for real by hidden video as on this incident, we want to lyinch the officer that was already said that he has been tounge lashed as a F,n lazy fat pig etc, for pulling over and arresting the girl who stold a car he was looking for?
I am not giveing him a pass here, its just a observation on our own behavior as tv viewers.
Inquireing minds got to know!
Because we didn't get a speeding ticket from the Hollywood cop on TV. We know he's not real.
I always wondered sort of the same thing about the military. Service members are sworn to uphold the Constitution, and according to many, during times of war they're engaged in protecting us, they're held to a higher standard based on various codes of ethics, etc. but never a day goes by when you can't find a story more than a couple months old of incidents of service men raping children, executing prisoners, committing any number of heinous felonies against women....Yet we never see any threads bashing them. Why is that? Out of sight out of mind? Or is it because some of the more virulnet cop-haters were members of that particular group? Any ideas? Politically correct to point out the wrongdoings of the few bad apples in the police barrel, but unpatriotic to do so with the military?
I'm not doubting that most here would say "throw the book at him" with regard to the military felon too "He disgraced the uniform, I would have shot him myself" etc., but why is there such a dearth of interest compared to when a cop screws up? They're both held to a higher standard, they're both in positions of power, often over defenseless, or near defenseless victims, often armed....
Some guys seem to enjoy posting every cop trangression they can, as if these sorts of things are the rule rather than the exception.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
One of my dads best friends was a infantry LT, durring world war two. They told me there were incidents of rape, and the guys were "killed" in action.
I'm sure there are plenty more stories of rape in a war zone where they weren't "killed in action". But I was thinking also along the lines, and even more so I guess, of crimes that happen right here in the US.
How come stories of "protectors gone bad" are so much more popular around here when the protectors are cops vs. some other group?
How come stories of "protectors gone bad" are so much more popular around here when the protectors are cops vs. some other group?
billhud
US Veteran
Ain't so much stories of "protectors gone bad" as it is stories of law enforement officers gone lawless.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
At any given time there is aprox 1,500,000 military in uniform. There is aprox 500,000 LEO in the united states. That is one to three ratio. Most LEO are career. Most military are not, with a huge turnover. That means a huge percentage of people in this country are or were in the military, but a very small percentage are or were LEO. I dont know the percentages but lets guess that say maybe 1 out of 5 adult men has been in the military. Maybe 1 out of 150? adults at one time or another have been LEO.
Therefore, I would guess the focus would be on LEO. A huge bigger factor has to be all the many TV shows and movies on LEO as opposed to farmers, factory workers and fast food workers whose jobs arent considered glamoris.
Anyone that ever wore a uniform has had contact with groupe uniform lovers. Why is that?
It all has to stem from hollywood. When I was a kid in the 40s if you were a small town cop, you were considered lazy and couldnt get a real job. Almost overnight when TV came out the shows turned to cops. And if you are old enough, you could see the change in public perception. Anyway, thats my take.
Therefore, I would guess the focus would be on LEO. A huge bigger factor has to be all the many TV shows and movies on LEO as opposed to farmers, factory workers and fast food workers whose jobs arent considered glamoris.
Anyone that ever wore a uniform has had contact with groupe uniform lovers. Why is that?
It all has to stem from hollywood. When I was a kid in the 40s if you were a small town cop, you were considered lazy and couldnt get a real job. Almost overnight when TV came out the shows turned to cops. And if you are old enough, you could see the change in public perception. Anyway, thats my take.
billhud
US Veteran
Actually it's a pretty small percentage of our population that are either serving military or veterans. As the age group devreases that number gets smaller considering it's been 25 years since we had a draft.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
You are right billhud. I see my estimates are way low on the percentages. I stand corrected. I think I was trying to point out the percentages dispareagency between military and LEO, so that is why LEO is more in focuss.
Personaly, I belive the most dangerous jobs in the united states is convenience stores in large citys, yet they get no respect at all! Go figuer.
Personaly, I belive the most dangerous jobs in the united states is convenience stores in large citys, yet they get no respect at all! Go figuer.
Alpo
Member
This is just off the top of my head, but, if soldiers rape or steal or murder or brutalize, it is to people somewhere in another country. It's happening to "them". It doesn't upset me to hear about "cops gone bad" in Mexico, or England, or Germany either. That's another country, and it's happening to "those people". But when cops do it in the US, it is happening here. It could be happening to me or my family. That makes it worse. Because it's more personal.
straightshooter1
US Veteran
Boomstick:
LEOs are authority figures. They have the power to stop, hold, ask questions, etc. So, one reason is that it is kind of a turnabout to bash them in some way.
Another reason:
Nobody cares about the Preacher who spends his life preaching God's Word or the elementary school teacher who spends her career teaching 6 and 7 year olds to read, write, etc. Who wants to read about the politician who faithfully tries to conduct his business in the way in constituents want (OK-maybe a mythical creature) or the lawyer who simply does his or her job?
Or, the cop who faithfully patrols his area of responsibility for years, making arrests of bad guys, writing some tickets, working crashes, etc?
But let one of them cross the line and they are food for the media and people like us.
I think there's something in us as humans that delights when someone like that falls.
Bob
LEOs are authority figures. They have the power to stop, hold, ask questions, etc. So, one reason is that it is kind of a turnabout to bash them in some way.
Another reason:
Nobody cares about the Preacher who spends his life preaching God's Word or the elementary school teacher who spends her career teaching 6 and 7 year olds to read, write, etc. Who wants to read about the politician who faithfully tries to conduct his business in the way in constituents want (OK-maybe a mythical creature) or the lawyer who simply does his or her job?
Or, the cop who faithfully patrols his area of responsibility for years, making arrests of bad guys, writing some tickets, working crashes, etc?
But let one of them cross the line and they are food for the media and people like us.
I think there's something in us as humans that delights when someone like that falls.
Bob
S. Hammer
Member
Then there are those of us who just don't like working with dirty cops. I've never had to be threatened by anyone to do the right thing. This guy needs some jail time for that response.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
straightshooter1, you have it nailed. Just look at the walmart checker threads we had to prove your point. As I already said I spent 35 years as a lowly lockheed guard. A big part of the job was checking badges at shift change. On the average slow day I probley checked several thousand badges. Everyday there were people that resented it. They would pull tricks trying to get you in trouble many times. For instance once I was talking to my captain while checking in a herd of people. One guy walked past us, got about 40 yards in the plant, turned around walked back, and politely said "officer I forgot to show you my badge!"
I just laughed at him as did my captain, and said you showed it, or you wouldnt have got in.
It was almost a daily thing!
People hate their boss,s or anyone that has any kind of juice over them! Yet, how many WANT to be a LEO or night watchman?
I just laughed at him as did my captain, and said you showed it, or you wouldnt have got in.
It was almost a daily thing!
People hate their boss,s or anyone that has any kind of juice over them! Yet, how many WANT to be a LEO or night watchman?
