EdnAZ
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Guess what else you aren't.......dead.
LEOSA- Retired LEO qaulification
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Guess what else you aren't.......dead.
Completely not the issue and not a very deep thinker. Think about it a bit more deeply than you have. What's your most likely chance of getting caught carrying an illegal gun? To help you out - just your normal day to day routine. Most likely it won't be the result of a shooting.
So you're sitting in prison with a felony conviction simply because you didn't take the time or make the effort to follow the law or thought the law didn't apply to you? Gee, how many did I lock up in my career who thought the same way? Or are you one of the LEOs who thinks the laws won't apply to them?
EdnAZ
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Well, I would take offense to your tone but I was well aware that that I was speaking to (1) a trooper (2) trooper brass (3) someone that graduated from junior G-man school. But I digress.
You originally stated "Now you're involved in a shooting. It doesn't matter what friendly LEO shows up..." To which I replied "Guess what else you aren't.......dead".
Now you want to fling insults such as "not a very deep thinker" and insinuating that I "one of the LEOs who thinks the laws won't apply to them."
I don't know about you but I'm really not worried about being caught carrying an illegal gun (sic) since the last time I found myself on the receiving end of a "stop and frisk" was........never.
For the record, I would never advocate that someone not take a few easy steps to be in compliance if that is possible. However a few posters have stated that it is not always possible.
I part with a joke: What is the difference between a State Police Captain and God? God knows he isn't a State Police Captain.
Stay safe.
Intersting point about cops who think they are above the law. I never thought I was and I never thought anyone else was either.....I can even see circumstances that would cause me to have to arrest a brother officer. Armed Robbery comes to mind.....Rape, murder, burglary, grand theft....but I gotta be honest, i don't (or didn't ) when i was on active duty write tickets to fellow cops, whether on my department or some other department. I have even driven a few home who had too much to drink and unless they were involved in a multi car accident where innocent folks were involved I did not make a federal case out of their drinking indescrition. I have even driven a few brothers and a sister to an AA meeting when it was dictated. I don't think I would lock up a retired guy for carrying his gun either....Im just sayin....seems here where I live cops are locking cops up all the time for issues that would best be handled by IA.....but maybe its the new breed....I do not believe in Blue silence or lying to protect somone for excessive force either. Tell the truth and let the chips fall where they fall, but minor stuff, nope its not me......and if you non cops take offense so be it. I know that if Im getting my butt kicked on the street only a cop or a retired guy is guranteed to stop and help and maybe not even the retired guy...no sense in locking up the guy who is going to bail my butt out of a beating....so again if you dont like my attitude on this,its your problem not mine.,
and by the way, I poured plenty of non cops into cabs, called their wives (often the better part of the justice system) Mom's or Dad to come get their polluted relative. I did not find it necessary to arrest every person I came across. My job was to protect and enforce the law and if I got a drunk off the street, civillian or cop I did my job.
If you want to compare arrests and cases I'm happy to put my work up against anyone's. Who you are speaking to is someone who has obviously seen, been involved in, and more fully aware of those types of situations that you.
Think thru the all of the consequences before you embarrass yourself. Trying to give cutesy type answers doesn't address the issue and only shows how limited you are in your critical thinking skills. I know critical thinking appears to be a difficult task for you but I promise it won't hurt.
Like that means anything. When will be the next time?
Think about the odds. What's the chances you'll be involved in a shooting compared to the chances you'll be caught carrying? Since you don't seem to think things thru very far - you're a whole lot more likely to be caught carrying than using it.
See you've just proved my point. You're not a very deep thinker about the full consequences of actions. Sounds like a lot of knuckleheads I've locked up over the years. It wasn't going to happen to them.
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And if it's not possible then you suggest what? Violate the law? Do you advocate a fellow LEO commit a felony? Think about it. That's exactly what would be happening. Now think a bit deeper. Think about the consequences of committing that felony in another state. Think about sitting in jail awaiting bond. May be overnight, may the weekend. Think about paying an out of state attorney to represent you. Think about having to return out of state multiple times for pre-trial hearings. Think about returning for trial. Think about the consequences of a felony conviction. Or maybe - just think.
This one knows the consequences of illegal actions and is obviously a bit more intuned to thinking thru consequences.
You want to risk your retirement to a felony? You are you capable of thinking situations that far advanced? You've already shown the answer to that question.
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Perhaps we should get back to the LEOSA topic. I met with a retired federal guy last week and got him qualified for his TCLEOSE certification. He paid with two good 'war stories." It was fun for me, I also heard from a retired guy who wants to get together for a qual and I am looking forward to doing so......
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New at this site. My Husband is retired from the Federal Bureau of Prisons. We trying to find information on getting him requalified. I am still employed by the Bureau and can't seem to find any information.
Gary Slider
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Go to http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/usa.pdf and scroll down to the LEOSA Header. Info you are seeking can be found there. Hope this helps. Also go to the main page at Handgunlaw.us and click on your home state on the main page map. LEOSA Info for that state is near the bottom of the PDF for you state that opens.
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FWIW, there is nothing in LEOSA that says reserve personnel are not covered by it. I am waiting for a change in the policy at my prior agency based on the research I did for them to correct that misunderstanding so I can obtain my ID.
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Isn't it great the way the BOP ignores those who honorably served?
In Texas a CHL instructor can perform the qualification for him and many do it for a small or no fee. Don't bother to send the form in to TCLOSE for the state qual card. That won't issue us one because we do not qualify as Peace Officers to them. Just keep the copy the instructor gives you/him.
AZretired
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I think that reserves are not included is a given. In most states a LEO means you are full time and paid. So you you must be current or with at least 10 years as a full time paid officer. At least that is the case in New Mexico and Arizona.
Also I don't think there are any changes to the part that says you must qualify to the Police Standards of the state in which you reside.
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Thanks for taking care of the members of "The Thin Blue Line".. I am headed to the Clackamas County Public Safety Range on May 1 for my annual HR218 qualification...
Had the priviledge of being on the original Public Safety Committee when we were just getting HR218 going here in Oregon. It is really nice to be able to carry when I am out of state...............
Had the priviledge of being on the original Public Safety Committee when we were just getting HR218 going here in Oregon. It is really nice to be able to carry when I am out of state...............
Doug M.
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I just did the research on this issue for my old agency. The memo is most of 7 pages. The law here is pretty clear on the LE weapon exemptions; reserves get the same as FT, on or off duty. The folklore is a different issue. Even in California the result is the same. The definitions of LEOSA do not distinguish between full and part time, and THAT is the definition that counts.
Old Corp
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I was not in the least bit surprised when my agency looked into getting a LEOSA Course set up at our range for the retirees and then -- cancelled ALL plans to offer it.
Seems the City Attorney's Office and P.D. Attorney looked into it - and, my former agency and city, known far and wide for being severely allergic to ANYTHING that even might spell L I A B I L I T Y , decided that, horror of horrors, the PD was about to have people on the range that were NOT sworn NOR even employed by the city.
It all screeched to a halt.
I liked this country so much more when attorneys didn't run it.
Seems the City Attorney's Office and P.D. Attorney looked into it - and, my former agency and city, known far and wide for being severely allergic to ANYTHING that even might spell L I A B I L I T Y , decided that, horror of horrors, the PD was about to have people on the range that were NOT sworn NOR even employed by the city.
It all screeched to a halt.
I liked this country so much more when attorneys didn't run it.
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JTPUR, are you still in here somewhere? Sorry about getting in here late, however..
I just recently became aware of the 2010 & 2013 revisions of HR218. I was hoping that the 84th Texas Legislature session would make adjustments to state law because of the revisions, they didn't.
The NRA LEOSA FAQ website states that the revisions doesn't draw a distinction of active duty and reserve LEOs. The revision also lower the retirement requirement from 15+ years to 10+ years.
I am a retired reserve deputy in the gulf coast area. I have 11 years service and left in good standing.
My department says texas law requires 15 years or more and won't let me qualify.
I want to utilize LEOSA and I meet LEOSA requirements, do you know of any remedy for retirees in my predicament to get the firearms qualification?
I just recently became aware of the 2010 & 2013 revisions of HR218. I was hoping that the 84th Texas Legislature session would make adjustments to state law because of the revisions, they didn't.
The NRA LEOSA FAQ website states that the revisions doesn't draw a distinction of active duty and reserve LEOs. The revision also lower the retirement requirement from 15+ years to 10+ years.
I am a retired reserve deputy in the gulf coast area. I have 11 years service and left in good standing.
My department says texas law requires 15 years or more and won't let me qualify.
I want to utilize LEOSA and I meet LEOSA requirements, do you know of any remedy for retirees in my predicament to get the firearms qualification?
You must be REALLY old; Attorneys have run this country for its entire existence, including most of our Presidents since 1797, almost every state and federal judge and justice, every state and federal attorney general and many legislators. If you include those who studied the law but did not become lawyers the numbers go much higher and include President Madison who drafted, among other things, the Second Amendment.
Most of the members of the constitutional convention were lawyers or had legal educations. By the way, most of the Second Amendment inroads we have made in the last few years were the result of lawyers arguing the Second Amendment to judges and justices (who are, after all, lawyers).
I might point out recent comments by the former Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard, who advocates the almost complete seizure of guns in the U.S., much as he accomplished in Australia. Mr. Howard recently wrote about how..."Australia, correctly in my view, does not have a Bill of Rights, so our legislatures have more say than America’s over many issues of individual rights, and our courts have less control...."
Lawyers will continue to run this country long after you and I are dead. The issue is not that lawyers run the country; it is which lawyers run the country.
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Why did the state even bother with its own version? We don't have anything like that here, so I never had to worry about it. I did the research memo mentioned above, which carried the day.
As for liability fears, oh for pete's sake. Any such liability risk, IF ANY, which I doubt, is very tiny.
My Agency's qualifications for "Retired Cops" is the same as qualifications for our "Full Timers". 3, 7, 15, and 25 yards. The "New" 25 yards is six shots at the head.
grcoffman104
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For years I ran my squad thru qualifications with a 12 round 30 seconds with a mag swap involved to cover that requirement. I had to hump it with my 6 shooter to make it but the kids respected me and my " flintlock".[emoji1]
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