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We are so much easier to control or kill when disarmed..... Yes, they have a plan, We The People Do Not..... Daylight's a wastin' away!
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Maybe less caffeine...
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I agree to disagree with you. I did Protect and Serve Honorably for almost 38 years, and I have trained well over a thousand men and women, in the Military, and in Law Enforcement. You have your rusty opinions and I have my training and experience to support my opinions. I don't claim to know everything, but I do know that it's usually the left-wing protestor that is calling someone undeserving of being a left-wing protestor. LEOSA had and I believe still has plain, simple guidelines, but agencies and states want to complicate everything with their own "spin" on LEOSA, and have neutered it's effectiveness. ALL LAW ABIDING ARMED CITIZENS MUST BE ALLOWED TO TRAVEL FREELY THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES JUST AS THEIR RESPECTIVE STATES DRIVERS LICENSE ALLOWS THEM TO TRAVEL FREELY WHILE IN CONTROL OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! Get the picture Rusty?
The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.
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You can be sure of that with Arizona Attorney General's Kris Mayes and Tucson Laura Conover running things.
https://www.pcao.pima.gov/county-at...-after-declination-policys-negligible-effect/
But you can bet if you use your LEOSA/CCW to protect yourself you WILL be facing charges. I have had PCSD friends tell me Conover would just love to prosecute a LEO.
gmww
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From the NRA Frequently Asked Questions
Law Enforcement, Military, Security
Frequently asked questions about the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act.
"Does the agency who qualifies me need to make a record of the make, model, caliber, or serial number of the firearm I qualify with?
No. LEOSA does not require the agency to maintain this information. This is a frequent concern given the statute's use of the term "type of firearm." LEOSA authorizes the carrying of a "concealed firearm" of the same "type" the individual receives certification for. As there is no case law interpreting this wording, the word "type" should be read to conform with the dictionary definition; something distinguishable as a variety. Accordingly, "type" of firearm should be read to mean either long gun or hand gun, which would permit you to carry any type of legal long gun or hand gun based on your qualification and not one particular make, model, or caliber. As an action outside of LEOSA requirements, the creation and maintenance of a database may expose the agency to liability, as discussed below."
My previous dept. gave me the same response when I've asked your question in the past.
North Carolina requires each retired officer qualify with EACH firearm s/he carries pursuant to LEOSA. If the officer's former agency will not qualify them then they have to receive the training/qualification from a certified firearms instructor, submit the proof of training/qualification (which included the make, model, serial number of the weapon(s) to be carried AND the type of ammunition qualified with and which will be carried to the NC Department of Justice and pay an annual fee for them to issue the certification.
I have known officers that simply take the training and qualify with each firearm and keep a copy of the state mandated firearms qualification form, which has to be signed by the officer and the certified instructor (along with his/her state issued instructor number) with them to show that they have met the requirements of the federal statute.
NC has taken steps to make this as onerous as possible for retired officers as it is administered by the NC Attorney General and we have had anti-gun, anti-law enforcement Attorneys General since 2001.
NC created these rules pursuant to the verbiage of the LEOSA statute.
From the LEOSA Statute:
(4) during the most recent 12-month period, has met, at the expense of the individual, the standards for qualification in firearms training for active law enforcement officers, as determined by the former agency of the individual, the State in which the individual resides or, if the State has not established such standards, either a law enforcement agency within the State in which the individual resides or the standards used by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State;
NC Requirements:
12 NCAC 09H .0102 MINIMUM TRAINING SPECIFICATIONS
(a) Each qualified retired law enforcement officer must qualify with each handgun he/she will carry in accordance with the standards outlined in 12 NCAC 09E .0105(1) and 12 NCAC 9E .0106 (a), (c), (e), (f) and (g), which shall be incorporated in classroom instruction and firearms qualification on the firing range utilizing the course of fire from the A Specialized Firearms Instructor Training Manual.@
(b) In addition to the standards set out in Rules 9E .0105 and .0106, each qualified retired law enforcement officer shall also receive a minimum of two (2) hours of instruction on the North Carolina laws of self defense and the use of force by private citizens, detention of persons by private persons, and assistance to law enforcement officers by private persons.
(c) Qualified retired law enforcement officers shall qualify with each handgun that will be carried concealed at least once every 12 months. For the purpose of this rule, handgun shall include semi-automatic pistols and revolvers.
The firearms instructor or the agency which qualifies the officer is required to keep records of the training and qualification. This information is listed on the required NC Criminal Justice Education and Training Standards Commission or NC Sheriffs Education and Training Standards Commission. This form requires the make/model/serial number of each firearm AND the ammo qualified with/carried AND the scores, daylight, dim light (night) along with proof of a combat course of fire and proof of classroom training.
I have known officers that simply take the training and qualify with each firearm and keep a copy of the state mandated firearms qualification form, which has to be signed by the officer and the certified instructor (along with his/her state issued instructor number) with them to show that they have met the requirements of the federal statute.
NC has taken steps to make this as onerous as possible for retired officers as it is administered by the NC Attorney General and we have had anti-gun, anti-law enforcement Attorneys General since 2001.
NC created these rules pursuant to the verbiage of the LEOSA statute.
From the LEOSA Statute:
(4) during the most recent 12-month period, has met, at the expense of the individual, the standards for qualification in firearms training for active law enforcement officers, as determined by the former agency of the individual, the State in which the individual resides or, if the State has not established such standards, either a law enforcement agency within the State in which the individual resides or the standards used by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State;
NC Requirements:
12 NCAC 09H .0102 MINIMUM TRAINING SPECIFICATIONS
(a) Each qualified retired law enforcement officer must qualify with each handgun he/she will carry in accordance with the standards outlined in 12 NCAC 09E .0105(1) and 12 NCAC 9E .0106 (a), (c), (e), (f) and (g), which shall be incorporated in classroom instruction and firearms qualification on the firing range utilizing the course of fire from the A Specialized Firearms Instructor Training Manual.@
(b) In addition to the standards set out in Rules 9E .0105 and .0106, each qualified retired law enforcement officer shall also receive a minimum of two (2) hours of instruction on the North Carolina laws of self defense and the use of force by private citizens, detention of persons by private persons, and assistance to law enforcement officers by private persons.
(c) Qualified retired law enforcement officers shall qualify with each handgun that will be carried concealed at least once every 12 months. For the purpose of this rule, handgun shall include semi-automatic pistols and revolvers.
The firearms instructor or the agency which qualifies the officer is required to keep records of the training and qualification. This information is listed on the required NC Criminal Justice Education and Training Standards Commission or NC Sheriffs Education and Training Standards Commission. This form requires the make/model/serial number of each firearm AND the ammo qualified with/carried AND the scores, daylight, dim light (night) along with proof of a combat course of fire and proof of classroom training.
That's what Trump wants you to believe, but as long as it is a law,the president can't overturn it. Trump's plan is to neuter Congress (done), and weaken the courts. Our democracy depends on balance between the three branches. Congress passes law and appropriates all revenue and spending, the President manages the government, and the courts interpret law so that it confirms to the Constitution.
So no, in a US democracy he cannot. But in his one-branch dictatorship, Trump can and he can overrule the courts and use money as he sees fit. He's hoping you won't figure this out until autocracy is complete.
It's worth pondering why none of the big mouths showed up when US democracy was (and is) under attack.
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This is a good discussion and I appreciate the above post.
Until a court case decides the meaning of all the terms as used in LEOSA it seems to my feeble mind that a person would want to follow the rules and interpretation of the State in which they received their LEOSA qualification card. I will jump through many hoops if I have to avoid being that test case. I do not agree with NC in their LEOSA practices. But, if I move there you betcha I will follow those practices when it comes time to re-qualify. Thank you Bill.
gmww
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I'm planning a cross country trip from coast to coast. It sure feels like a mine field trying to avoid the anti-gun states even with my LEOSA card. Unfortunately, on our bucket list we want to see Niagara Falls. So, is my LEOSA card, and retired police badge/ID in good standing enough? Or are there other requirements like obtaining a NY pistol carry permit, no hollow points, 10 magazine limits? Thanks in advance.
Terry G
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Federal or State? Federal, Yes. State is different. You must be a sworn Officer for at least ten years. It varies from state to state.
shil
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I can't help but remember the retired LEO who held up a Las Vegas casino cashier, WITH HIS CCW. The security cameras caught it and he was nailed. No more pension. Even LEOs, like milk, can go sour.
shil
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The current POTUS would love to change MANY things with the stroke of a pen. Fortunately, we have system of checks and balances (that he hates) in place. For how long? Not long if he has his way.
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This has turned into an amazing thread. Maybe a little off-topic. I think LEOSA was created to allowed retired LEOs, as defined in the statute, to carry a firearm in every state and DC. I personally know only one case where a retired officer was arrested. It was either ND or SD, years ago. Charges were dropped. There may be others. The statute has many questionable portions that are confusing. In TN, I go to a local PD who knows me, take the paperwork the state sends me. Shoot with all the guns I plan to carry, SNs recorded and scored, TN requirement, not LEOSA, fingerprinted at a location of the state’s choosing. Take the paperwork, fill out the application with a $15 check and I get my LEOSA qualification card as soon as my prints clear. The LEOSA card is carried with former agency’s “firearms ID card” with my original badge number, 331, I’m old, and photo.
I go to this trouble to support those in the LE community who worked so hard years ago to make it possible for retirees who meet the qualifications to carry in all states, with restrictions, instead of the maniacal reciprocity requirements with a CCW that everyone can get. Many local LEs who are retired can carry a concealed firearm in their state. The federal law enforcements agencies have no such laws or regulations, thus LEOSA.
Some of you may disagree with my description but our agent’s association did and still updates on any new developments.
I go to this trouble to support those in the LE community who worked so hard years ago to make it possible for retirees who meet the qualifications to carry in all states, with restrictions, instead of the maniacal reciprocity requirements with a CCW that everyone can get. Many local LEs who are retired can carry a concealed firearm in their state. The federal law enforcements agencies have no such laws or regulations, thus LEOSA.
Some of you may disagree with my description but our agent’s association did and still updates on any new developments.
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Tennessee's procedure for annual LEOSA recertification borders on pathetic.
Pretty much as described above, the $50 fingerprinting fee (Kinko's in Cleveland is the nearest) and $15 processing fee to TN P.O.S.T. every year is insulting and not necessary.
But no one in Nashville is inclined to change the protocol.
There is game plan "B" however......
I go back to my original agency in Florida and requalify there. No fee, no fingerprinting, LEOSA required documentation in hand when I leave...all in less than an hour.
Plus, I get to see some of my old running mates when I'm there.
And I go sometime during the winter months when south central Appalachia is often not the most pleasant place to be.
Pretty much as described above, the $50 fingerprinting fee (Kinko's in Cleveland is the nearest) and $15 processing fee to TN P.O.S.T. every year is insulting and not necessary.
But no one in Nashville is inclined to change the protocol.
There is game plan "B" however......
I go back to my original agency in Florida and requalify there. No fee, no fingerprinting, LEOSA required documentation in hand when I leave...all in less than an hour.
Plus, I get to see some of my old running mates when I'm there.
And I go sometime during the winter months when south central Appalachia is often not the most pleasant place to be.
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There were many others right after the law was signed in 2004. They were all dismissed, including cases in New York State (where mere possession of handguns are considered illegal without a license or exemption). One of the cases involved not only possession of a handgun, but also so-called "high capacity" magazines which were separate felonies under state law - all charges dismissed under LEOSA.
The law is not ambiguous, nor is the legislative history when it was debated and passed. Some states, and individuals, like to make it appear that way.
New Jersey was recently smacked down in federal court, for trying to claim that retired LEOs who live in New Jersey must conform to ridiculous and restrictive New Jersey retired LEO licensing requirements. NO local licensing is required to avail oneself of the LEOSA privileges.
Any LEO retired can go obtain a CCW license if he wishes, but it's not necessary. You get some additional rights in doing so, but if the reform bill passes, most of those "advantages" will be unnecessary. And qualifying under LEOSA will be far simpler.
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