My complain comment was about you seeming to think your thread should stick to your narrow post. That I think there is no way you could not know would run the way it did. I would challenge you to find one thread here that has not run off subject. I for one want to read even very far outside the box comments. Thinking outside the box may get you what you want I don't think you are ever going to get it with your SD.
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VNK971
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You should read Jim Cirillo's "Guns, Bullets, and Gunfights." One story is about a bad guy who took eleven LRN .38 specials to the head and only got a headache and a bloody nose. He found the wadcutter was a "better" round than a round nose. Like in a target the wadcutter cuts the tissue while the round nose wound cavity closed after the bullet passed through. The wadcutter also bit into bone, like the skull, instead of bouncing off. He also found JHP will act just like round nose if the nose cavity fills with cloth or filling from something like a down jacket. This suggests the FMJ in 9mm would be a less lethal round.
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I think my post, the one you quoted above, accepts that notion.
With respect to "thinking outside the box", my book on "Real World Engineering" in near final form, describes my experience in 56 years in industry and has a chapter titled:
"Thinking outside the box . . . There is no box"
I think my post, the one you quoted above, accepts that notion.
With respect to "thinking outside the box", my book on "Real World Engineering" in near final form, describes my experience in 56 years in industry and has a chapter titled:
"Thinking outside the box . . . There is no box"
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Very early in training the Corps taught me not to point a weapon at someone you didn't intend to kill. This is good advice. Once you pull a firearm on someone it gets bad fast.
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Learned that in grade school, with my BB gun. "Don't point that, you could put someone's eye out." Heard it every time I had the gun in my hands . . . drilled in.
And it continued with my .22, and so on.
Learned that in grade school, with my BB gun. "Don't point that, you could put someone's eye out." Heard it every time I had the gun in my hands . . . drilled in.
And it continued with my .22, and so on.
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Very interesting idea, thanks for posting. Not what I plan on carrying but might be an option for those who want another less lethal option.
Believe it or not, I recall that Bersa (of Argentina) was marketing one of their very popular .380 pistols in what they called a "less than lethal" package. I personally thought was an ill conceived idea, and apparently they eventually did, too, because I stopped seeing them before very long. This was several years ago.
The idea that a .380 could be turned into something between a stun gun and a lethal firearm seemed dubious, at best. True, most people don't die for handgun wounds, and true, .380 isn't the most powerful cartridge, but my confidence in the manufacturer's claim would be low, even with light loads. To be fair, I don't know what kind of ammo they're talking about, but they did include it in the package, as I recall.
The defenzia video that someone posted could be an option. Looks promising. Though I'm not in line with the OP's intent, I don't find his goal silly or foolish. We all have to develop our philosophy of defense for ourselves.
The idea that a .380 could be turned into something between a stun gun and a lethal firearm seemed dubious, at best. True, most people don't die for handgun wounds, and true, .380 isn't the most powerful cartridge, but my confidence in the manufacturer's claim would be low, even with light loads. To be fair, I don't know what kind of ammo they're talking about, but they did include it in the package, as I recall.
The defenzia video that someone posted could be an option. Looks promising. Though I'm not in line with the OP's intent, I don't find his goal silly or foolish. We all have to develop our philosophy of defense for ourselves.
Hi. Midway USA has CCI 9mm shot shells. 53 gr. #12 shot-box of 10- and 45 gr. #4 shot-box of 10, about 11 or 12 bucks a box. Read a piece about them awhile back and you'll have to manually rack the slide each shot. If you're convinced you want to carry less lethal, might look at those loads. I have to use real bullets cause I ain't able to run.
Good luck and be safe.
Good luck and be safe.
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