Did you read the sentence:
Reporting may or may not be required depending on state or locality.
Depending on local/state law it is a misdemeanor.
But I'm not going to get into a pi**ing match over this, not worth any more of my time.
Liability of Stolen guns
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Did you read the sentence:
Reporting may or may not be required depending on state or locality.
Depending on local/state law it is a misdemeanor.
But I'm not going to get into a pi**ing match over this, not worth any more of my time.
Accountable for what? Some thug breaking in my house?
There are many things FFLs are required to do that citizens, or 'the public,' are not required to do. Running background checks when selling comes to mind. Let's not muddy the waters by comparing business requirements with individuals.
There might be very legitimate reasons one might not want to report a theft, not the least of which is that, in the case of stolen personal property, it is no one else's business unless one wishes to make it so.
ColbyBruce
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I can keep up with my guns, but recently discovered two holsters missing. Neither of them fit a Glock, but I imagine they were taken with my Glock 31 when we were burglarized in 2011.
Again youre sidestepping my response. Im not trying to get into a pissing match but you seem to continually go in a different direction
Ah now i see. Youre saying we would be SOL in places which require reporting of stolen firearms. Of which the punishment is a misdemeanor. Now I see. Quite the stretch of being a misdemeanor to SOL but i see the connection youre trying to make, of which you poorly made.
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Squarebutt
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Here in MA the law says they have to be in a locked container or under your immediate control. They don't have to be stolen to get you charged with a crime and deprived of your license. If an LEO happens to be in your home for a medical emergency or because of a fire, etc., and sees one out and unsecured, you'll be charged. And it occasionally happens in the homes of police officers, usually during a domestic disturbance.
LoboGunLeather
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People are looking for someone to blame, whenever anything happens that no one wants to have to deal with.
So-called "safe storage" laws make the registered owner of a firearm responsible for anything done with that firearm. This allows the crowd to see and hear the punishment, watch the blood be taken from someone in atonement.
This is the REAL goal, which is accommodated by registration of every gun owner and firearm, and allows the masses to exact punishment upon SOMEONE without regard to who or what was involved in any particular incident. The tribe needs to have someone to hold accountable, someone to punish, someone to sacrifice.
So much easier to accomplish when responsibility is tied to an inanimate object and no one ever has to accept any responsibility.
So-called "safe storage" laws make the registered owner of a firearm responsible for anything done with that firearm. This allows the crowd to see and hear the punishment, watch the blood be taken from someone in atonement.
This is the REAL goal, which is accommodated by registration of every gun owner and firearm, and allows the masses to exact punishment upon SOMEONE without regard to who or what was involved in any particular incident. The tribe needs to have someone to hold accountable, someone to punish, someone to sacrifice.
So much easier to accomplish when responsibility is tied to an inanimate object and no one ever has to accept any responsibility.
oledoc2u
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Wow. I thought it was a discussion about what happens if you have a firearm stolen. I am just an ole' retired cop, and have recovered a few stolen weapons in my day. If a weapon is used in a crime, we confiscate the weapon, try to find if it were stolen by checking records of "reported" stolen weapons. If we don't find such a report, the weapon is destroyed after the trial is over at some point. Now if the perp states he got it from Joe Blow, then Joe Blow will be looked at. Again, it just depends on what the investigation uncovers. But, if you want your weapon back, you better report the theft. Especially if that weapon is going to be used against people you may know, and you reporting it may lead to tips that will help catch the perp. Just my take on it...
So technically, night stand guns have to either have a lock on it, or you have to sleep with one hand on your gun to be "legal" right?
I've seen it dozens of times where bad guys, usually gangs, let the newbie without a criminal record hold the gun(s) when they're on the move. Had to let some go because they were open carrying legally and weren't felons, even though we knew they were up to no good with it.
I've also arrested idiots in the same situation because they thought they were carrying legally but it was stolen.
Don't want to give the criminal a chance of keeping the gun because you didn't report it.
On a side note, when I worked in Virginia, you could not carry a gun concealed in your car without a permit. Any guns in the car had to be in plain sight. I lost track of how many times myself or my buddies would stop a car full of thugs and you would literally see guns flying through the interior of the car as they threw their guns onto the dashboard or rear dash.
My late sister lived in West Texas. Her home was broken into an a model 36 and a 5906 were stolen. The 36 has not been recovered. The 5906 was used in a robbery. The perps were caught and she got her 5906 back. The 36 was a 1952-5 year of manufactur.
CAJUNLAWYER
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This thread reminds me of the last time I went to look up something on webMD. Before I was done I was convinced I had a terminal disease with only days left to live. May I suggest two things:
Don't believe everything one reads on the internet.
If one has a question involving medical, legal or how to build a building, I suggest one contact a doctor, lawyer engineer as the case may be and ask them (and be prepared to pay for their expertise).
Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't believe everything one reads on the internet.
If one has a question involving medical, legal or how to build a building, I suggest one contact a doctor, lawyer engineer as the case may be and ask them (and be prepared to pay for their expertise).
Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LoboGunLeather
US Veteran
This thread reminds me of the last time I went to look up something on webMD. Before I was done I was convinced I had a terminal disease with only days left to live. May I suggest two things:
Don't believe everything one reads on the internet.
If one has a question involving medical, legal or how to build a building, I suggest one contact a doctor, lawyer engineer as the case may be and ask them (and be prepared to pay for their expertise).
Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it, and frequently costs you more in the long run than paying a professional to advise you before you commit yourself to anything.
Now I need to get back to my do-it-yourself root canal kit that I ordered over the internet.
If the pain gets fierce, maybe you can find a piece of leather to bite on.
IMO, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" applies. One may not be automatically "SOL" (in their particular state) for not reporting a gun stolen, but documenting the theft would at least eliminate some potential "explaining" down the road. I cannot imagine giving up the chance for a recovered possession to find its way home. If anything for the principle of it. What is mine is mine!
Some of this kind of thing is started by the antis. You know, like, if you have a gun in the house, you'll likely kill someone you love, or being charged because you shot someone with your handload, or some kind of "inhumane" bullet. People who think firearms are the embodiment of Satan, will throw any kind of bull stuff on the wall hoping it might stick.
WhitleyStu
Member
When I went in to get the police chief to sign my federal paper work to get my application for a SMG (S&W 76) started the police chief said to me after signing the form, "Please keep your machine gun in a safe." I assured him I would. There is no law, only common scene.
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shouldazagged
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This thread reminds me of the last time I went to look up something on webMD. Before I was done I was convinced I had a terminal disease with only days left to live. May I suggest two things:
Don't believe everything one reads on the internet.
If one has a question involving medical, legal or how to build a building, I suggest one contact a doctor, lawyer engineer as the case may be and ask them (and be prepared to pay for their expertise).
Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, sure got testy--much ado about nothing definitive.
And we didn't even get to all those horrible boating accidents.
Mine was a spelunking catastrophe, but no matter.
I thought to get class 3 and go through a trust you needed a safe and a way to keep your suppressor or mg safe? Have i been mislead?
Alpo
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You have been mislead.
There is no FEDERAL regulation about HOW you store your gun. Different states have their own regs, but I'm pretty sure that if state X has a "keep it in a safe" law, it applies to all guns, and not just NFA.
edit: Rereading your post, I see you said "trust". I never messed with a trust, so don't know if that makes any difference. Here in the panhandle we have a decent Sheriff. Never a problem with a sign-off, so no need for a work-around.
There is no FEDERAL regulation about HOW you store your gun. Different states have their own regs, but I'm pretty sure that if state X has a "keep it in a safe" law, it applies to all guns, and not just NFA.
edit: Rereading your post, I see you said "trust". I never messed with a trust, so don't know if that makes any difference. Here in the panhandle we have a decent Sheriff. Never a problem with a sign-off, so no need for a work-around.
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Many years ago in the pre-internet days, I sold a S&W .44 magnum to a fellow. We went together to a local sporting shop, filled out the paperwork and after the then 3 day waiting period was over, the buyer picked up the gun. A few years later and after that sporting good shop was closed down, the local and state police came looking for me and told me the gun had been somehow linked to an armed robbery. It seems the "paperwork" was never logged into the books in Harrisburg correctly and I was the last recorded owner of the gun. Luckily, I still had the documents from the sale in my wallet and it turns out the guy that bought the gun from me was the guilty party, was arrested and sent to jail.
I also had an incident a few years ago when I sold a nice 29-2 to a fellow forum member in Arizona. I shipped the gun legally through my LGS and it "never arrived" at the receiving dealer. Needless to say, this got everyone involved - BATF, USPS Inspectors and the insurance company. The story is too long to re-tell here again but it was literally a nightmare. When it "re-appeared" 2 1/2 years later, things heated up again though!
The moral of the stories - Don't trust anyone or any procedure when it comes to guns, especially in the world we live in today. Do it legally, retain your documents and do all you can to guard against theft or "unwanted use." Best advice = CYA
I also had an incident a few years ago when I sold a nice 29-2 to a fellow forum member in Arizona. I shipped the gun legally through my LGS and it "never arrived" at the receiving dealer. Needless to say, this got everyone involved - BATF, USPS Inspectors and the insurance company. The story is too long to re-tell here again but it was literally a nightmare. When it "re-appeared" 2 1/2 years later, things heated up again though!
The moral of the stories - Don't trust anyone or any procedure when it comes to guns, especially in the world we live in today. Do it legally, retain your documents and do all you can to guard against theft or "unwanted use." Best advice = CYA
I always do it legally. I ask to see a GA drivers license, and if possible, a GA Weapons License. We then exchange the gun for Benjamin's. That is all the law requires. Georgia law says that it is illegal to sell a gun to someone you know isn't legally able to own one.
