Protests close to home

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Interesting that some of the same people who believe that there should be no restrictions on the right to bear arms, believe in restrictions on the right to assemble, freedom of speech and even the suspension of Habeas Corpus.

Yes, some of the things people are protesting have gone on before. Lets take calling out the National Guard. Why protest that? After all it worked so well at Kent State. Interestingly it had the extremely negative effect on that administrations agenda. I wonder how long Vietnam would have drug on and how many more lives would have been wasted without the protests?

Some people think it is fine to protest by storming the capital while thinking it is terrible to have a No Kings protest. How very hypocritical.

PS I did serve in the military and did so in a branch and time where I was very likely to go "In Harms Way"
 
Well, opinions are like the rear end of a north bound horse, every body has one.
Been seeing people like you for too long on the internet.....
You ever served you country in the military and gone in harms way????
What does it matter if I had or have not?
Veterans, LGBTQIA, Knights of Columbus, made men, field hands…my Republican friend, in America, EVERYONE IS EQUAL.

I could be a literal Space Shuttle Door Gunner and I’d have the same rights and vote as the tye-dye most fabulous communist of San Francisco.

Quit doing your silly “divide and conquer” bit, old man.
 
Interesting that some of the same people who believe that there should be no restrictions on the right to bear arms, believe in restrictions on the right to assemble, freedom of speech and even the suspension of Habeas Corpus.

Yes, some of the things people are protesting have gone on before. Lets take calling out the National Guard. Why protest that? After all it worked so well at Kent State. Interestingly it had the extremely negative effect on that administrations agenda. I wonder how long Vietnam would have drug on and how many more lives would have been wasted without the protests?

Some people think it is fine to protest by storming the capital while thinking it is terrible to have a No Kings protest. How very hypocritical.

PS I did serve in the military and did so in a branch and time where I was very likely to go "In Harms Way"
Rights for me, but not for thee…this is the end expression of conservative thought as applied in America, brother. Not caution or values, but a voluntary blinding to reality. A substitution of allusions to nostalgia for critical thinking and an irrational anger when anything challenging their ordained view of the world comes in. Quite convenient for their leash-holders when it comes to distractions.

My dad’s the same way, sadly. Every trope and stereotype you can imagine has been installed in the last five-ish years. An example- We were raised in California and I’m quite familiar with the state’s geography and have a working knowledge of their water distribution system, for example…so when my dad started insisting that a Presidentially-dictated water release from the Tulare/King County watershed would somehow flow uphill, through multiple mountain ranges, and back in time to put out LA wildfires that were started by anti-American immigrant arsonists at the behest of AOC, I just blinked and caught a bubble, because that’s all you can really do anymore. Now, every conversation turns to treason, the need to execute his idol’s political rivals, and how terrible “my team” is. The loving, rational, caring father I remember is as gone as that reasonable, nice California of the early 2000s…and I don’t think it ever really can come back.
 
Folks lets take a deep breath and remember not everyone has the same opinion.

I tried last night to post the song "We Just Disagree" in this thread but failed.

I suggest a cold beer and a session of that song to many of you.

And I will be the first to say that I am guilty of this myself and in fact listened to it several times myself.

Now I am not sure if the Mods are all at a Mods Retreat somewhere but keep in mind the rules of the Forum.

Leave your politics at the sign in table.

Not saying I am without sin but this is getting a bit carried away.

Thank you for your time and no matter what you do today try to enjoy yourselves.
 
Folks lets take a deep breath and remember not everyone has the same opinion.

I tried last night to post the song "We Just Disagree" in this thread but failed.

I suggest a cold beer and a session of that song to many of you.

And I will be the first to say that I am guilty of this myself and in fact listened to it several times myself.

Now I am not sure if the Mods are all at a Mods Retreat somewhere but keep in mind the rules of the Forum.

Leave your politics at the sign in table.

Not saying I am without sin but this is getting a bit carried away.

Thank you for your time and no matter what you do today try to enjoy yourselves.
Sometimes we need a refresher of the rules. I have failed many times.

Most, if not all, of the mods are at the Symposium until tomorrow.

3. Do NOT descend into personal attacks on a member.
Naiveté, or viewpoints different from yours are no reason to call a member an idiot or moron.
If a poster is obnoxious, report him and ignore him.
Do not feed trolls.
NO LYNCHINGS or MUGGINGS.
Learn to use the "IGNORE" feature for posters that ANNOY you. Click your User Name at Top Right and scroll down to "Ignoring" and click it.
 
There are a lot of people who can't grasp the concept of "peaceful protest". Regardless of political views, those who feel entitled because they are "right" have done a lot of damage and will continue to do so. It appears to me, consistent with the history of other "protests" that have become riots, that some are just looking for an excuse to engage in conduct that we should not tolerate. This has been the history in Seattle since at least 1999 and probably before.

There is too much risk of bad stuff happening. I don't want my life to be disturbed or to have take action to make sure I am not inadvertently drawn in to one of these problem events, but this is a good time to be an anti social jerk and not engage.

I wonder how long it will take before this string goes sideways and gets locked .
Burning cars, free stuff from the places you loot, plus the opportunity to run amok and destroy stuff, what’s not to love?🙄. We need more Sheriff’s like the one in Brevard County Fl…..
 
I think that some here are losing sight of why the National Guard was sent in. I don't think anyone here is against peaceful protests, but so often they are not peaceful, such as the protests in LA. We are looking at people protesting the removal of illegal immigrants, many of them dangerous criminals and the govt. of California was doing little or nothing to stop rampant riots and destruction of property, so Trump sent in the NG to help control the riots.
 
Interesting that some of the same people who believe that there should be no restrictions on the right to bear arms, believe in restrictions on the right to assemble, freedom of speech and even the suspension of Habeas Corpus.
No restrictions on the 2A does not give me the right to shoot people/buildings/cars willy nilly. Rape, pillage, burn, and attacking the constabulary/national guard is not protected by freedom of assembly or speech. This is not a reDUMBlican vs. demoKKKrat thing. It IS civil society vs, anarchy thing.
"More rogues than honest men find shelter under habeas corpus." Abe Lincoln;) Not too keen on that myself especially for citizens.
 
Rights for me, but not for thee…
That's all of your ideas are. Taking rights away from people. You do a lot of projecting and are a prime example of what ails the nation.



As far as what's going on today, my city supposedly has one of these get togethers. Don't know where, don't care. As long as they don't impede in my ability to run my errands I will enjoy the day.
 
I think that some here are losing sight of why the National Guard was sent in. I don't think anyone here is against peaceful protests, but so often they are not peaceful, such as the protests in LA. We are looking at people protesting the removal of illegal immigrants, many of them dangerous criminals and the govt. of California was doing little or nothing to stop rampant riots and destruction of property, so Trump sent in the NG to help control the riots.
One wonders if the same crowd would be as enthusiastic to see military suppression of protests if the government were taking semiautomatic weapons instead of “illegal” people
 
We ain’t all MAGAs here, brother...
A lot of us who aren't MAGAs, also aren't fans of police state fascists. We also think that living with two standards to pronounce judgement with isn't a good look.

What ALSO isn't a good look is expecting people to believe and agree with a reality based on an alternative version of actual facts. Alternative facts to serve hypocrisy.

We still remember that the party that is all about the "No kings day" narrative is the same party that was engaging in police state fascism, long before the current president ran for office to become their excuse justifying police state fascism.

Jack Smith was first seen being dispatched from the DoJ, taking out dangerous potential opponents to that president/vice president's 2012 reelection bid YEARS before the Trump first ran for office. A successful effort, despite the conviction thrown out by SCOTUS years after that successful re-election while Governor McDonald was appealing instead of running for office. Thrown out unanimously, with SCOTUS taking the extraordinary step of saying that Jack Smith was a threat to the Constitutional separation of powers. Sorry about that, Governor McDonald - the newly reelected President DID apologize... we all good here now???

Telling that nobody remembers how that went!!! Where was the "no kings day" back in 2012?

When was the "No police state fascists day" when we learned that the "Trump-Russia Dossier" was not the 100% verified intelligence agency evidence that Attorney General and FBI 'leaked' to the mainstream media as?

How long did today's protestors need back then to become outraged when we found out that it was a felonious document commissioned and then feloniously funded? Written by two foreign spies, the primary one being a Russian who was then being investigated by the FBI for espionage? With the millions of campaign dollars to illegally pay those foreign spies for that "Dossier" being laundered through a law firm, who illegally declared it as income for legal services provided?

That's just garden variety crime. But then it got far, far worse than the White House and that party just illegally manufacturing political defamation.

If the actual concern is about "kings" in the White House, are these people claiming they were too young to be upset when they were shown that administration then REPEATEDLY sent their last two Attorney Generals and three FBI Directors to Judge Boasberg's FISA courts to perjure themselves to that court and utter false documents in order to get illegal spy warrants?

Or do they believe that the White House top law enforcement in the DoJ and FBI not only decided to hide what they were doing from the White House while going it repeatedly on their own without first seeking the permission of the president? And while doing that successfully prevented anyone within the DoJ or FBI from finking them out to the White House in hopes of some reward? The White House didn't have a clue as to what was going on?

Every appearance, every one of those heading the DoJ and FBI, appearing at those secret courts swore under oath those documents were 100% verified, had successfully been screened by the mandatory Woods Procedures, and they were unaware of any information or evidence that would cast question on their "Trump-Russia Dossier".

They then used the false counterespionage warrants they obtained to feloniously violate the civil rights of THOUSANDS of Americans while hunting and hoping to fund some evidence to get Trump. Removing the civil rights of Americans through color of law is a federal felony - run of the mill police officers have been in the news after being sent to jail for years for just one instance of that felony.

The "two hop rule" that extends a spy warrant two steps up a communications pyramid to rope in everyone the named subject has comms with, and then the comms of those people ensured there were THOUSANDS victimized by that administration's police state fascism. And the felonies they committed to do that.

First they did it, hoping to dirty their opponent up enough to rig the election. And after that failed, continuing to use it in hopes of creating something that could be used to impeach the president who defeated them in the election.

Along the way, these DoJ and FBI felons used every excuse to coerce and then charge for "lying to the FBI" - the same felons who made it possible for themselves to do that by perjuring themselves repeatedly in Judge Boasberg's courts (heard that name recently in the news?) to get those spy warrants. FBI and Attorney General felons, using the product of the felony crimes they committed to charge others with committing the crime of lying to the FBI.

So here we are now: "no kings day". And not a single one of that administration and their minions has been charged for the serial multiple felonies they committed while obtaining those illegitimate warrants to hunt their opponent in hopes of fixing that election.

Judge Boasberg didn't even haul those AG/FBI felons back into his courts to punish them for contempt of court - he just pronounced years later that all those FISA warrants they got from him and his FISA courts through perjury were no longer lawful and could no longer be used.

That was YEARS of police state fascism - using a felonious "dossier" that was created and paid for by that party, initiated by that administration and its DoJ/FBI, and continued under their second administration.

So now these people, outraged that their Illegal Aliens, are being deported as fast as possible have decided that once again enforcing existing immigration law is the cruel actions of the current president acting like a king? Cancel The Police v2.0?

Why?

In summary, anybody wailing that enforcement actions to remove the millions of Illegal Aliens encouraged, invited, and then assisted to illegally enter this country by previous presidents had better be able to show me that they were far, FAR more outraged at the clearly criminal police state fascism practiced by previous administrations, and how they used the DoJ and FBI.

The chances that anybody pushing, endorsing, or participating in "no kings day", and those claiming they are outraged at what they claim is unconstitutional actions by this president, can show they were equally enraged by the previous White House felonious police state fascism is about ZERO.

Most of them still support that police state fascism 100%, with no regrets for the hundreds of everyday Americans whose lives were destroyed by that.

Anybody supporting the sentiments and actions of "no kings day" who can show that they were equally outraged by just the actions of those in the White House, DoJ, and FBI with the "Trump-Russia Dossier"... go ahead, show me how I should change my mind on that.

Any takers?

Now... in the unlikely chance that they import some protestors from nearby Spokane or Missoula to hold a "no kings day" here to support a few of our locals in my home here in Montana... no, I won't bother taking the time to go there.

I've seen enough stupid and hypocrisy at this point in my life that I don't have any need to take time off to go watch it happening yet again.

They're welcome to Speak Their Truths - I'm likely to remind them of what looks to me as either alternative facts, hypocrisy, double standards, or more likely all three.
 
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