Liberty Ammunition

[kemper]

Yes, I read post 18

Read post #18.

Everyone wants to believe that magic bullets exist. They don't.

This ammo is just another example that will fail too.

Yes, I did read post # 18, but again I will ask the question again. Have YOU EVER shot or used this round buddy ?

Most folks that actually get out and shoot their weapons with different types of ammunition know magic bullets do not exist, but it would seem logical that one would have to actually load, shoot and evaluate the ammo in "their" weapon before they start dismissing it out of hand.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Yes, I did read post # 18, but again I will ask the question again. Have YOU EVER shot or used this round buddy ?

Most folks that actually get out and shoot their weapons with different types of ammunition know magic bullets do not exist, but it would seem logical that one would have to actually load, shoot and evaluate the ammo in "their" weapon before they start dismissing it out of hand.

I don't know what your issue is but I'm sure you'll get over it someday.

Yes, I have shot it. Last weekend as a matter of fact. It functioned fine.

But if you think that proves anything, you're wrong.

There are and have been countless brands of ammo which claimed to be the absolute best ever. They didn't last long.

Don't get caught up in the game.

 

[Lycan]

You make some really good points that are certainly true, but
did you mis-type the text in bold ? It would seem that it is either one or the other. The super fast fragmenting rounds like Liberty Civil Defense provide large cavity wounds once they enter soft tissue and spread fragments of copper in multiple directions which is what creates the large cavity, but their energy quickly dissipates thereby reducing the depth of penetration, correct ?

The deeper penetrating rounds stay together longer which produces less wound cavity once it enters soft tissue, but the mass/weight of the projectile aids in deeper penetration. It can't be both ways and if deep penetration is the primary goal then why doesn't everyone just shoot and use FMJ ammo ?

No mistype. The damage I am talking about is deeper. And the fragmented rounds generally do not go deeper. A shallow wound cavity can be bigger (due to fragmentation) than a deeper wound cavity and have much less of a stopping effect because the wound cavity didn't run deep enough to do deep flesh or organ damage. That is why the shallower, yet slightly larger wound cavity usually looks worse (shallow flesh damage) than the deeper wound, yet has a much diminished "physical stopping" effect. Organ and deep flesh damage is what "stops" assailants most of the time, not flesh wounds. Like I said, there are always wild cards. A shallow bullet can hit a main artery or soft tissue (allowing easier organ access) and still do some real damage, just as a deeper penetrating bullet can follow bone or exit without massive damage.

The point is (as I mentioned), I would rather rely on a bullet that will probably do what it needs to most of the time instead of on one that might be effective some of the time.

Also, FMJ ammo has a higher chance of over penetration. There is a sweet zone that is strived for (usually between 12 and 18 inches by FBI standards...I think). It comes down to the right mixture of enough penetration (without over penetration) and good expansion (obtained best with HPs and the like). Other factors like feed rliability, recoil, etc...can also be important to an individual shooter. Effective SD ammo does no good if it isn't reliable and easily handled by the shooter.

Early, shallow, expansion, no expansion, or over / under penetration can all make a round less effective for what it needs to do.

 

[rwsmith]

Looks like.....

Looks like a great varmint round. Anything bigger..I dunno.

 

[rwsmith]

Looks like.....

Looks like a great varmint round. Anything bigger..I dunno. The impressive numbers go to show what can be done on paper.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Maybe understanding penetration and fragmentation will help.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

 

[viking jeff]

In 45 and 9mm recoil is very mild. I have shot watermelon. I'm sold on the stuff. Its in my bedside Glock 30. I am sold. try it!

 

[falconman515]

Any updates .... Cause all I've read so far is nonsense from guys who just don't care to even shoot it and dismiss absolutely anything new.

I myself bought a couple boxes and the weight is great and I will be shooting it all through my carry pistol (Shield 9) to see how well it shoots, how accurate it is and above all reliability.

Just curious if there any new real world actual users that can reply (and not guys who have never shot it and just want to reply with "no way I'll ever shoot it" kinda replies!

Thanks and looking forward to reading some actual constructive thoughts from people who have "actually" uses this ammo

 

[Pete1971]

I put up a post on this Saturday, ran some thru my 40c, yes NO RECOIL (hardly) this stuff is amazing, and weigh's nothing compared to regular stuff, makes my gun feel empty, I love it

 

[tectrry]

This is what I carry in each of my pistols (9mm, .40 & .45). I love it. Check out YouTube for many ballistic gel tests and reviews (or this website as well). I ran into a sale at Dicks last week $12/ box and stocked up. I think SGAmmo had a good price on it recently as well.

 

[falconman515]

Ya I picked up a couple boxes at Dicks as well for $12 to try through my new M&P9 Shield that I will carry and if they all go off without a hitch then I will carry them. And SGAmmo does have them for $11.95 as well when in stock.

Good to hear some real world replies from guys who Actually Use It and not just guys who have zero clue but won't try anything different.

I loaded 10 rounds of Gold-Dots in 1 mag and the other mag with these Civil Defense in my PPQ .... BIG difference in weight, which is GREAT for carry purposes.

Looking forward to shooting it and hoping they run flawless along with reduced recoil and perfect accuracy up to 15 yards.

Like I said ... if all those pieces come together, then these will be the rounds loaded in my concealed carry Shield 9 at all times!

 

[jimbo728]

Im thinking the 9mm stuff might be pretty good in a home defense revolver or semi auto in an apartment type living condition where over penetration is a major concern.
Come to think of it, the other offered calibers might serve well in areas where over penetration is a concern also.
Jim