Life in Prison or Execution?

What would you vote in you were on the jury.

  • Life witout parole

    Votes: 44 19.0%
  • kill him

    Votes: 188 81.0%

  • Total voters
    232
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I guess you might call me harsh but you don't hurt kids, there should be a discouragement.

Holly-Death
Holly's mother-Death
Holly's stepfather-Death
This Davis person, or whoever is in charge of this state agency-Death

Would it be true. All of them seem to be a waste of oxygen.

But who am I to pass judgement on those who probably were as mucked up as their next generation.

It does seem as things do get worse as we go.

Moral decay starts where?

Jail him or kill him, just never release him.
 
I would say the defense is doing their job. They are playing the only card they have left.

In the end he will have to explain himself to his God, and I doubt his excuse will cut it.
 
After further consideration and reading the other comments I would decide putting him out of his misery is the better option. He would be too mentally unstable to ever be released and there's always the chance that someone will get his case appealed on compassionate grounds. There's no way he could ever live a productive life outside the prison system and no guarantee that he wouldn't kill or rape again. Flip the switch.
 
Hmmm, it seems like I hit a chord, touched a nerve, or whatever. I do not think I would fit in with ISIS. I would be executed for my belief system,insistence on listening to music, the playing of games, etc.

I think it's just gone so far down the road towards acceptance of horrendous acts that crimes like this even should have an element of mercy towards the perpetrator.

People who are involved by acting, or knowing-having a position of responsibility-and failing to act, share in the guilt.

I will repeat again-
Holly -Death
Holly's mother -Death
Holly's stepfather-Death
This Davis person, or whoever is in charge-Death
 
...those who probably were as mucked up as their next generation.


That's a great observation, one that I make frequently.

Today's abuser was most often yesterday's abused. Their abuser was also, in all probability, abused. Ad inifinitum.

So I never call them monsters.

However, they are dangerous and should be treated as such. No dog wants rabies, and we all cried for Old Yeller, but...
 
Tell about his terrible upbringing, and use that to convince the jury to find him not guilty.

But if he's GUILTY, of MURDER? Ride the lightning.
 
I don't believe in the death penalty just as I dont believe in abortion. Life has value or it doesn't. Life and death are the only absolutes in this world. Until you can create life you shouldn't destroy it. Of course I also have exceptions to this such as defense of self and family and just war.
 
That's a great observation, one that I make frequently.

Today's abuser was most often yesterday's abused. Their abuser was also, in all probability, abused. Ad inifinitum.

So I never call them monsters.

However, they are dangerous and should be treated as such. No dog wants rabies, and we all cried for Old Yeller, but...

Thanks for the well written post.

Except, Now you got me thinking about Old Yeller. :(

I don't think he was evil or abused.
 
Don't forget the victim. It's sad that he had the childhood that he had but that is no excuse for his crime.
The death penalty fits his crime.


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I agree with others this is a tough call and I'm reminded of what Robert Heinlein wrote in Starship Troopers about housebreaking a puppy. In this guy's case, it's most likely that his upbringing drove him crazy but we do execute insane people (does anyone think Ted Bundy was actually sane?). Since he was convicted and not found insane, it appears he does know the difference between right and wrong so it seems a long drop with a short rope is appropriate.

CW
 
I am not against the death penalty per se, but it truly irks me in the inconsistent application thereof. Either have it for all who murder or none who murder rather than said application depend on how much of an attorney the murderer can afford. So if the standard is to murder those who intentionally and wantonly murder another then make it so for all. I just cannot stomach variable sentences for murderers depending on what? How is one different from the other? His background is tragic...but not an excuse...and the punishment should be the same standard as that of any other murderer. But in our varying degree of punishment paradigm, just what is that standard? Until we figure that out, I have a hard time saying "fry him" while another gets three hots and a cot for life.

Just pretend this is witty.
 
If I were on the jury I would vote for death penalty. That is what he deserves.

If he gets life w/o parole, then our tax dollars will house him, feed him, clothe him, provide cable TV, library, basketball court, weight room, etc, etc, yada yada yada. Those things are NOT punishment. Those things he does NOT deserve.
 
To explain how I feel a about this you have to know yesterday I listened to a man take a plea to the murder of his 3month old baby.The DA and the defendent both explained what he did .More broken ribs ,arms legs than I can explain.That baby was tortured every day of its short life.Life in prison with all the perks like good food, heat,ac is a lot more than victims will ever have.
Sorry for going on like this.But my BP is way up my wife
Is worried and it is hard to explain.
 
My personal opinion is that a quick death is preferable to life without parole.
 
If only we could be guaranteed that "Life without chance of parole" meant just that, I might go along with it. But it doesn't. Just look at Manson. He was sentenced to life without parole, yet he keeps having parole hearings. WHY?? All it will take is for a wimpy parole board to decide he's paid enough and we will have another monster out among us.
 
After 32 years in Law Enforcement, I have come to know quite a few intimate details about long-term prison sentences, and the men/women who serve them. Prison itself is a society not too unlike our own (on the "outside"). Yes, there are many comforts & accommodations, freedoms (options), and even 'good times'. In speaking with a good many "Lifers", the aspects of punishment, guilt, and unpleasantries are self-imposed mental states. Kind of like taking the hard-core alcoholic out of the pub, and making him endure an alcohol-free vacation in an otherwise 'paradise' setting. If you don't mind being there, it's not a bad place to be. As a member in this inner society, all inmates establish themselves as individuals. What type of persons they become is up to them, and how they interact with their environment.

I guess that in a long-winded way, what I'm saying is that scum is always scum, unless they choose to change. Either for the duration of their stay, or for the remainder of their days. Change comes from within, not from The System.

I don't care whose fault it is, Zachary Holly is the only one who has committed the crimes subject to this trial. He is a miscreant beyond change, as his behavior is ingrained too deeply to be overcome. Yes, that may be due to his particular upbringing, but it is now a part of his very fiber. He will not change, and will only adapt and find ways to satisfy his perverse 'needs' on the "inside". Not all his prison-mates will be scum of equal standing, and not all inmates will be deserving of the misery Holly would, no doubt, inflict upon them.

Some may quote, "... Thou shalt not murder". Others may say, "An eye for an eye, ..."

I believe that to best protect both the public (yes, sometimes they DO get out) and the prison (both staff and population), there can be only one reasonable decision. Guess how I voted.
 
from post #10:
"It's OK to show a little mercy and I agree with your thoughts-put him where he can't hurt anybody again. Period."

The only place where he can't hurt anybody again is in the ground.
I can think of three ways where someone with "life without parole" can harm someone, other than getting some kind of pardon or parole.
1: The person harms another prisoner.
2: The person harms a prison guard. This happened in Washington State at Monroe. A man sentenced for rape and assault, murdered a female prison guard.
3: The person escapes and harms someone "outside".
If there is no death penalty, a person sentenced to life without parole can not be punished for anything they do after the sentence is handed down. A license to harm!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/byron-s...d-of-strangling-female-prison-guard-to-death/


Best,
Rick
 
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...found guilty of capital murder, kidnapping, rape and residential burglary Wednesday. Jersey Bridgeman, 6, was found dead Nov. 20, 2012, in an abandoned house next to Holly's home on Southeast A Street. She had been strangled with her pajama pants.

An eye for an eye.

Commit a few unspeakable acts on him, then strangle him to death with his own shoe laces.
 
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