Lightweight .460 Rowland CCW Project

[RSIA-01]

As I try to study about high power round in M625 in the topic
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/368811-45-winmag-m625.html .

I decide not to make .45WinMag revolver anymore but .460 Rowland.

.460 Rowland has OAL same as .45ACP so I will use short cylinder as I can to reduce weight and also need taper barrel in the same reason.

So,I need 625-10 or 625PC cylinder (But I really don't know is that 2 model have the same length or not) and M22 Barrel.

Can someone tell me where I can find those things for sale or any idea.

Thankyou.

 

[Mike Grasso]

Seriously?

You do know that caliber is not a true factor in CCW, that the only thing that matters is shot placement? Or at least a caliber that ensures shot placement with your skill level under pressure.

And a follow up shot from a 460 Rowland is going to be somewhere between the suspects 10th and 15th...

But I still would like to see it when you're done.

 

[NE450No2]

I would recommend that before you spend the $$$$ for that project you shoot a S&W Mod 329 in 44 Mag or a 44 Mag Night Guard.

You can have "TOO" much of a good thing, IMHO of course.

My advice would be to get one of the light Scandium framed S&W 45 ACP revolvers and shoot it with 45 ACP +P or Buffalo Bore 45 Super.

I will say, I really like my 325 Night Guard in 45 ACP.

 

[JayFramer]

I agree with the OP in wanting more power than the .45 ACP for CCW.

I think we can all safely say that the .45 ACP does NOT cut the mustard on the streets.

That is why so few people swear by handguns such as the 1911. It's a good platform, but as it is chambered in .45 ACP, it doesn't have much real-world self-defense use.

It is simply a severely underpowered and ineffective cartridge.

 

[RSIA-01]

I don't like Scandium my friend have one of 340PD that barrel was break from the frame and I live in the country that very hard to sent revolver frame back to factory.

In my opinion 325PD/NG is great but I don't trust them more than steel frame for heavy load.

I really like 25-14 or 625MG but it really hard to find.

So I begin this project mainly use .45 in range for practice / .45+P/.45Super for CCW / some practice and .460 In the case of self defense in the fruit garden near the forest (there are some black bear injure gardener 4-5 years ago).

 

[Mike Grasso]

I agree with the OP in wanting more power than the .45 ACP for CCW.



I think we can all safely say that the .45 ACP does NOT cut the mustard on the streets.



That is why so few people swear by handguns such as the 1911. It's a good platform, but as it is chambered in .45 ACP, it doesn't have much real-world self-defense use.



It is simply a severely underpowered and ineffective cartridge.

Now that us some very funny stuff!


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[Kilibreaux]

If you're gonna go insane go BIG! Just buy a .460 S&W Magnum for CC! Then, if you simply must try the .460 Rowland have a moon clip conversion done and drop those puppies in like nothing!

 

[eTripper]

IMO, it would be much cheaper to buy a 625, and run some decent .45 Super through it. As for the .45 ACP being 'ineffective'; it has been useful in real-world situations from the Marne to Fallujah! The Colt/Browning S/A-D/A platform is for sure a little arcane; but the caliber properly loaded is/has been a proven fight-stopper. All that aside, shot-placement is the optimum arbiter in CQB situations. Whether it be a .22LR, or .357 Magnum. I would have no compunction relative to carrying a Glock, Walther, FN, or S&W MP in a DAO format.

 

[oger]

I have a 460 on an all steel 1911 with an excellent brake. I would definately suggest you shoot one like mine before you even consider doing the conversion on a revolver.

 

[Bearbait in NM]

RSIA,

The links below are two companies here in the USA who do moon conversion work on S&W revolvers. Perhaps contact with them might offer some insight on cylinders or barrels? These places obviously work on guns customers send in, but I would think they might have ideas on sourcing parts.

I am not up to speed on the who's who for S&W revolver work but perhaps some searching will yield help on who does this kind of work. Might help narrow down sources for these parts. A person like Hamilton Bowen or Alan Harton who do conversions might be a source for spare parts they might have taken out of another gun.

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Welcome to Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc.

I just put my 625PC on the scale and it comes in right at 39 ounces. I do not know what a MG weighs, but I can't believe it is significantly less. As the 625PC is currently manufactured, could it be that importing the gun new would be easier than trying to find parts ? I guess you have the rechambering sorted out, as this would be a snap with the correct reamer. All that is needed is to lengthen each chamber.

My take on the question of Rowland v. Super would be that as Starline 45 Super brass is as strong as Rowland brass, you should have no trouble working up some pretty serious loads just in the Super, especially if staying with traditional bullet weights. I could see the argument that the rowland might allow more experimenting with heavier bullets, like above 265. But I can tell you that with the powders I use, I could duplicate Rowland ballistics in my 45 Super in bullet weights pretty close to 255 grains.

Good luck,

Craig

 

[bigfreakinrevolver]

I say go for the Rowland! I love odd round revolvers. They are unique and who knows it may catch on!

 

[Groo01]

Groo here
If you start with a late model 25/625 "the cylinder is the key"
You can CAREFULLY load the 45 acp/ar to some very high levels.
As I see it, the only reason to chamber to 460 Roland in a revolver
is so you can buy ammo.
If you reload , simply loading longer than 45acp will keep the hot stuff
from getting in an auto.
As it is easy to get a cast SWC 250 gr to 900 in a 45acp/ar case
and the revolver has a fully supported chamber, to load super
does not need special brass.[ the super brass is heaver to stop blowout
in an un-supported 1911 chamber] you only need a way to identify
the heavy stuff.[ machine shops use a brass dye / marker that does
not come off easy]