Lipsey's Mountain Guns??

[Invictus357]

I just got back from the range with it and it's pretty awesome. Nowhere near as snappy as I thought it would be with the lightweight barrel out front. Certainly nothing like my 329PD was, that thing was hateful.

I shot just shy of 100 rounds of various 240gr 44 mag loads (Magtech FMJ, Federal hydra shock, Sierra JHP, Norma JHP, Hornady XTP and Winchester) plus 40-50 round of 44 special which feels about the same as shooting standard pressure 38 special out of my 686 and my hands don't hurt at all. There was some slight discomfort while shooting in the web of my hand but no more than I get from shooting 357 out of my 686 with hogues.

I'm going to say that Skeeter Skelton grip design with palm swells works as advertised because I have zero pain from hot spots after the fact.

I stopped at a gun store after the range to pick up some oil and have the first coat drying now. It really pulled out a lot more figure and I'm sure will take several coats.



They can kick rocks, they absolutely price gouge on so much stuff and fluctuate their prices constantly based on supply. I get not giving away something for a few bucks over cost when you're the only person that has it, but charging nearly double MSRP for something in production is wrong. I won't buy from them even when they have the best price just out of principle of not supporting a company like that.

That's great info, thanks.

How is the fit and finish? Is barrel on straight? Is trigger nice and smooth?

 

[Redneckbmxer24]

That's great info, thanks.

How is the fit and finish? Is barrel on straight? Is trigger nice and smooth?

Fit and finish and trigger are excellent. Can't say I've ever seen a smith with a barrel that wasn't straight. Out of the box with the rear sight centered and all the way down POI was less than 1" left and 2" low at 10 yards so really didn't need much adjustment.

 

[Invictus357]

Fit and finish and trigger are excellent. Can't say I've ever seen a smith with a barrel that wasn't straight. Out of the box with the rear sight centered and all the way down POI was less than 1" left and 2" low at 10 yards so really didn't need much adjustment.

That's good to hear, thanks.

 

[elgatodeacero]

This is very positive news!

Until this thread I did not know about the 617 MG - that is beyond cool. An aluminum frame version with no lock would be cooler!

Jason Cloessner is one of us, he knows exactly what we want. Smith and Wesson should pay him 1 million a year to make the new guns look and function how we want.

 

[Beju]

They can kick rocks, they absolutely price gouge on so much stuff and fluctuate their prices constantly based on supply. I get not giving away something for a few bucks over cost when you're the only person that has it, but charging nearly double MSRP for something in production is wrong. I won't buy from them even when they have the best price just out of principle of not supporting a company like that.

The reason for that is that guns.com isn't a single seller. In addition to guns.com itself selling guns, it's also hundreds, if not thousands, of sellers using a platform, much like Amazon.

That's not to say that guns.com doesn't directly benefit from mark-ups via fees, but the seller marking things up may not be the same seller discounting things.

 

[BE Mike]

Are the internals much like the original N frames or something more updated?

 

[Redneckbmxer24]

The reason for that is that guns.com isn't a single seller. In addition to guns.com itself selling guns, it's also hundreds, if not thousands, of sellers using a platform, much like Amazon.

That's not to say that guns.com doesn't directly benefit from mark-ups via fees, but the seller marking things up may not be the same seller discounting things.

I don't know their ins and outs of business, all I see is their prices and see that they're sheisters.

Here's a perfect example here:

Smith 629 and 686 Mountain Guns with no lock - new production! - Page 2 - AR15.COM

Read the most recent post today. Dude ordered a mountain gun at advertised price, they cancelled his order saying it's out of stock but after he ordered they increased the price and still available at that price. **** that company.

 

[shawn mccarver]

The Lipsey's MGs have sights that are too straight up for proper holster work. I know they are pinned on, but it is still a job to change them.

 

[Beju]

I don't know their ins and outs of business, all I see is their prices and see that they're sheisters.

Here's a perfect example here:

Smith 629 and 686 Mountain Guns with no lock - new production! - Page 2 - AR15.COM

Read the most recent post today. Dude ordered a mountain gun at advertised price, they cancelled his order saying it's out of stock but after he ordered they increased the price and still available at that price. **** that company.

Whether it's guns dot com doing it, or one of the FFLs selling on the site, it reflects poorly on guns dot com. CDNN pulled some similar BS back during the second Obama election panic buying period to an FFL that I knew.

I don't blame anyone for swearing off guns dot com, and it certainly wouldn't be my first choice of retailer.

That being said, a lot of people feel the same way about Amazon these days due to the legions of Chinese junk products from random fly-by-night sellers.

 

[gdpolk]

Good luck to all trying to get one of the new build MG's.
I was lucky to find them all but the 617 years ago.

Which of those do you find to be the best balanced cartridge for the Mountain Gun and why? I'm not necessarily asking what's the best cartridge all together but more like which one is best suited to a Mountain Gun platform in your opinion as compared to other configurations

 

[Beju]

Which of those do you find to be the best balanced cartridge for the Mountain Gun and why? I'm not necessarily asking what's the best cartridge all together but more like which one is best suited to a Mountain Gun platform in your opinion as compared to other configurations

This is very much dependent upon your needs and personal preferences.

-If you want one for opportunistic varminting on your property, a 617 may meet your needs.

-If angry grizzlies or moose are a possibility in your area, you may want a .44 Magnum or 41 Magnum. These days, you probably want .44 Magnum instead of .41 Magnum if you're not a handloader.

-.45 Colt might be a winner if you want to chuck heavy bullets capable of deep penetration at less wrist-abusive pressures than the .41/.44 Magnums.

-357 Magnum or .45 ACP with the right round may be perfectly fine East of the Mississippi besides maybe northern Maine and Minnesota, and you can practice with relatively inexpensive factory ammo.

 

[BE Mike]

Are these square butt N frames or round butt K frames?

 

[Chubbs103]

Are these square butt N frames or round butt K frames?

If you are referring to the new 629 Mountain Gun: neither.

N-frame, round-butt.

 

[Invictus357]

The Lipsey's MGs have sights that are too straight up for proper holster work. I know they are pinned on, but it is still a job to change them.

That is something I haven't seen brought up for this gun.

What kind of front sights would you recommend for the Mountain Gun?

 

[BE Mike]

Do the Lipsey 629 Mountain Guns have predrilled holes in the top strap for mounting a scope?

 

[Paul105]

Perfect opportunity to use the "DX" front sight - opportunity lost - what a shame - sorry, one of my pet peeves.

 

[rminer]

Is the 629 the same as a pre lock mim gun (629-5) with different sights and grips?

 

[BoulderTroll]

This is very much dependent upon your needs and personal preferences.

-If you want one for opportunistic varminting on your property, a 617 may meet your needs.

-If angry grizzlies or moose are a possibility in your area, you may want a .44 Magnum or 41 Magnum. These days, you probably want .44 Magnum instead of .41 Magnum if you're not a handloader.

-.45 Colt might be a winner if you want to chuck heavy bullets capable of deep penetration at less wrist-abusive pressures than the .41/.44 Magnums.

-357 Magnum or .45 ACP with the right round may be perfectly fine East of the Mississippi besides maybe northern Maine and Minnesota, and you can practice with relatively inexpensive factory ammo.

Sorry, I know this was an older comment, but in case you see it Beju:

I'm not a dangerous game hunter, nor do I play one on TV. But I've read and heard that there is a pretty popular trend these days to moving to 357 magnum in Alaska for defense against brown bears, over the 44 mag. The reasoning given is that some of the modern 357 bullets are capable of incredible penetration, and the overwhelming majority of shooters can get much more accurate, and much faster rounds on target with a stiff 357 than they can with a stiff 44 mag. I'm curious if you'd also heard this, and what your thoughts on it are (and anyone else too, of course).

 

[Beju]

Sorry, I know this was an older comment, but in case you see it Beju:

I'm not a dangerous game hunter, nor do I play one on TV. But I've read and heard that there is a pretty popular trend these days to moving to 357 magnum in Alaska for defense against brown bears, over the 44 mag. The reasoning given is that some of the modern 357 bullets are capable of incredible penetration, and the overwhelming majority of shooters can get much more accurate, and much faster rounds on target with a stiff 357 than they can with a stiff 44 mag. I'm curious if you'd also heard this, and what your thoughts on it are (and anyone else too, of course).

I hadn't heard of any transition, but Buffalo Bore does relate the experience of the Alaskan guide who put down a grizzly with his S&W 3954 using their 147 gr +P Outdoorsman hard cast. I suspect that heavier bullets might give you more margin if hitting the skull of a bear at an angle (probably shoulder blades too), but forehead shots are suboptimal in general. I know of an off-duty Chicago police officer who had a shootout with a guy after on-viewing him do a shooting. CPD officer hit him a few times with Winchester Ranger Bonded .40 S&W 180 gr, one of which was a forehead hit that skipped off of the skull. Thankfully, the torso hits stopped the bad guy.

I'm also in the Midwest, occasionally telling guys that they don't even need .357 Magnum, let alone .44 Magnum, for coyotes or mountain lions. Any JHP suitable for self defense against 2 legged predators should be fine for those 4 legged predators, and capacity and/or fast follow-up shots are nice to have against fast animals. Buffalo Bore's or Federal's 9mm147 gr +P hardcast will probably get it done against a more heavily boned, potentially much larger, feral hog. Or, 158gr +P hardcast in .38 Special if you're sticking to revolvers.

 

[Gotboost2jz]

After ordering back in January, it finally showed up! Incredibly smooth action.