Low capacity but probably enough

[Rocketmedic40]

Back on topic, though, there is a significant difference between adequate capacity and capacity in excess
of normal anticipated usage. what is adequate vs excessive is a question for others…hopefully not a prosecutor.

 

[SFury79]

We started on small revolvers and now we are debating flame throwers and machine guns?

They do tend to get emotional, don't they??

I find that the more ludicrous and exaggerated the argument gets, the person escalating the scope of things knows they have lost the argument. They are making inane comments to try and win a lost battle.

Emotional response vs rational response.

 

[Rocketmedic40]

I find that the more ludicrous and exaggerated the argument gets, the person escalating the scope of things knows they have lost the argument. They are making inane comments to try and win a lost battle.

Emotional response vs rational response.

I find that people who are governed by absolutes tend to lack actual critical-thinking skills or valid opinions.

 

[Navy vet]

I’m not sure how the red prepares you for the blue, especially considering the speed with which a very innocuous appearing situation can turn south.

G19 is 15+1. If I can't buy yourself the few seconds to grab the mags ... don't carry.

 

[halfmoonclip]

A spare mag, for an autopistol malf, is a good idea.
For those of us, not obliged to run to the sound of the guns, a BG2.0 and a spare mag seems a prudent choice.
Moon

 

[Ray Ray]

I'm a retired cop and never had to shoot anyone, came close many times but loud clear words worked everytime. After I retired I was getting gas at a station when a car filled with a bunch of older teenagers pulled up and parked the farthest away from the business that they could. An alarm immediately went off in my head. One guy exited the vehicle and walked to the business passing close to my truck. All of a sudden he stopped and turned toward me. I had one hand on the pump and in the other I had the grip of my Glock 21 and said to him, "Pick a direction, just not mine." He thought for a second, didn't expect that.Then he turned and walked back to the car and they drove off. Actually I was looking forward to more of them coming my way. I could not be more accurate with that 45ACP, love it. Then again I love all of my weapons, S&Ws, Glocks, Winchester, Colt, Sig, Winchesters. As far as violent situations, everyone of them are different and the decision to shoot or not has to come in seconds. I'd heard so many people, when I was on the job, say, "if I was a cop, I'd do this and that. If they were they would have been taught what one can and can't do. It only takes a split second to die. I had a friend that wore his BP vest every single night. The one night that he didn't, he took a single shot to the heart from someone hiding in the darkness. Enjoy every single minute of your life. I'd already lost most of my lifelong friends. It kinda makes one wonder, why am I still here? Be safe out there!

 

[VaTom]

Scanned through all the responses and haven’t seen anyone mention seeking cover in a shooting in order to return fire. As a uniform officer beginning in 1976 carried 18 rounds. 6 in the Model 10 and 12 in drop pouches. Later in the 1990s carried a Glock 23 (.40, 13+1) in plain clothes with an extra magazine under certain circumstances. After a few rounds if you haven’t hit the target or neutralized whatever you should be seeking cover. We trained at 25 yards 18 rounds from behind barricade with revolver and reloading after each 6 by shielding yourself behind barricade. Cover and return fire as needed. If having to reload in open you need to present the smallest profile / target possible. Don’t think the average citizen (non LEO) would likely be involved in such a situation but yes times have changed. To each his own.

 

[SFury79]

I find that people who are governed by absolutes tend to lack actual critical-thinking skills or valid opinions.

My "absolutes" are called facts. They are rather unchanging. History was what it was, and current times are already showing you to be wrong. It is what it is.

Emotional people can't handle facts. It doesn't fit into their, your viewpoint in this case, irrational emotion driven viewpoint. If facts mattered, then no one with a functioning brain would think weapon restrictions, that always become bans, make sense. What it leads to has proven terrible 100% of the time.

This thread is about using facts about where we live, or where we may go to, and being prepared for what we will most likely encounter for danger. It's about balancing how we live, and the sacrifice of some personal comfort, for our own safety. This is America, and we should have no restrictions as to what we choose to carry to protect ourselves.

 

[fatcat3]

This debate reminds me of something I heard decades ago, from comedian George Carlin, IIRC.
"You ever notice that anyone that drives slower than you is an "idiot", but anyone driving faster is a "maniac""?"
Seems like everyone, myself included, tends to think of their EDC choice as being ideal, with everyone else being over or under-gunned.

NOPE! I don't believe my EDC/CCW is "ideal" but I'm unwilling to dress around a pump shotgun

 

[Warren Sear]

The Second Amendment limits only the power of government, not free Americans.

 

[Terry G]

So I can use a flamethrower or a grenade to protect myself on the bus?

Maybe a .50 caliber HMG in case I “feel threatened” on the road?

Perhaps a pack howitzer oriented on the front gate?

MAXIMUM FREEEDOOOMMM!!

That's absurd! M-79 Grenade Launcher is my pick. HE, Tear Gas, and a Buckshot round. Perfect!

 

[Harv 24]

We started on small revolvers and now we are debating flame throwers and machine guns?

I know, Right, Freedom is scary and awesome, it goes hand in hand.

 

[Smoke]

Perhaps a pack howitzer oriented on the front gate?

Why do I want a Pac75

When I can have an M110A2?

How about instead of restricting the types of weapons or abiding citizens can own we start prosecuting and incarcerating every single convicted felon we find in possession of a firearm?

Which of those do you think is more likely to have a positive effect on reducing violence in America?

 

[Rocketmedic40]

Why do I want a Pac75
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When I can have an M110A2?
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How about instead of restricting the types of weapons or abiding citizens can own we start prosecuting and incarcerating every single convicted felon we find in possession of a firearm?

Which of those do you think is more likely to have a positive effect on reducing violence in America?

Because as much as we might complain, the real hazard to public safety and health ain’t street criminals, and by definition, you won’t eliminate street crime ever. Even a crushing, UK-style total gun ban only shifts their violence by making gun use too potentially expensive to justify for professional criminals or too difficult to easily access for amateurs or criminals of passion; to most criminals, guns are tools for intimidation. No more, no less.

The threat we’re all a bit transfixed by is the potential mass shooter. We 2A folks base a lot of our decision-making process around the potential for encountering an active shooter; the same is true for gun-control advocates and cops and elementary schoolers and most of our society.

I ain’t claiming any gun bans will stop anything, but if I’m being completely honest, I’m a heck of a lot more suspicious of the young man buying a 100-round drum magazine and a forced-reset trigger to go with their Joker-painted plate carrier than I am of a young man carrying a 1911 or wheel gun.

 

[seasoldier85]

It doesn't matter how many rounds you have if you can't put them on target. Practice, practice, practice............

Two words:
Timothy Gramins

 

[K Frame Keith]

Environment, mindset, tactics, training. I believe carrying a handgun increases personal safety; IF, you approach your daily activities behaving like you aren’t armed.
Be aware of your surroundings, evaluate everything, choose where not to go, be low profile. In my daily life, I’m comfortable in the community and my surroundings. Admittedly, we’ve chosen to retire in a rural area, on purpose to limit risk. I’m comfortable with a J frame when I hit the convenience store but I try to stay observant. A brief example: Recently I entered the local beer store and there was no one visible. I called “hello” from the door and a clerk I know popped out. Liquor stores with no visible employee is big suspicious in my experience.
When we visit our daughter and her family in Philly, I carry a .45 with two reloads. She lives in a good neighborhood but the more exciting neighborhoods are only a mile or two away.
When we travel the interstates it’s the .45 and a backup. I’ve got a small bag for spare magazines, flashlight and a spare pocket knife. You never know where a detour might land you.
This is the long way of saying carry what you’re comfortable with ,stay observant and always have a plan the run away if you missed something.
When I started in Law Enforcement, I carried a S&W model 67. We had 6 shot shotguns in the units. I felt well armed. By the time I retired 27 years later I was issued an HK USP .40 and a full auto M4 with seven magazines. I carried a M37 as backup.
Still felt well armed.
Never fired my weapon, except in training. Drew my weapons more times than I can remember to gain compliance. I credit good training and stupid luck for my success.
In conclusion, stay observant, stay armed and stay safe.

 

[Rocketmedic40]

I’ve been in one firefight in my life. It involved me and a friend covering in a ditch trading bullets with some teenager in a thicket with an AK. I burned 90 rounds in about three minutes, mostly with “suppressive“ fire that was over a range of about 50 yards. It was definitely not the coolest or most composed or most glorious moment in the Army’s history. In hindsight, if I had to do it again, I would tell myself to slow down, breathe, look and squeeze. I think everyone involved in that situation panicked, and I don’t think there’s a way around that without extensive experience very few people have. Thing was, though, it ultimately wasn’t the capacity of my rifle that mattered, it was me remembering my training using the sites and crawling back up. I think the biggest lesson for me from that experience, aside from that I don’t like being shot at, was that if I am going to carry and use a firearm, I need to be very calm and very deliberate about how I do that, and I need to train to reinforce those skills.

Part of me wonders if I would have done a “better“ job of it if I hadn’t been so enthusiastic firing out rounds, but that’s a very different and difficult question.

 

[Glenn R. McMannly]

I carry a Bond Arms derringer most days.



Two shots but with .410 magnum buckshot, it’s like getting hit 5 times with a 9mm all at once. Reliability is far better than any auto, and even any revolver for that matter.

Works for me. If two shots isn’t enough, well, it’s just my time.

 

[Donn]

Watch too many Tactard You Tube vids or read threads like this and you won't leave the house without an infantry rifle platoon and close air support. Me? I'm retired, mind my own business, don't go anywhere I don't need to be. One gun, (Shield 45), one spare mag. If that's not enough, it ain't my day.

 

[1594Lyle]

Two of my co-workers at the agency I work for recently attended Glock Armorer School. They shared a story the instructor shared. Glock puts on an annual international conference for Glock armorers. The attendees are always asked by Glock what they can do to make their pistols better. The U.S. attendees and only the U.S. attendees always say the same thing - higher capacity.

Capacity is like that magic blanket kids cover their head with when they go to bed to protect them from the monster who lives in the closet.

Reloads with autoloaders during a self defense situation are usually because of a malfunction. Carrying three 20 round p-mags on your belt with a 20 round p-mag hanging out the bottom of your plastic gun is a bit much. I ask the uniformed guys, "Are you going to war?"

My thought process is - 1) Choose a caliber that will get the job done in 3 rounds or less, 2) choose a weapon that won't malfunction, 3) find a weapon you can consistently hit a target with while under stress.

Sounds like my favorite edc,,, 627 (jmo/ymmv)