m&p 15-22 magazine loader

[Majorlk]

I hate to screw up something that's now working, so doubt I'll mod it. I do have some questions about the mod, though:

With the current operation, I was thinking you depended on the tab to help tip the rounds over, to go in base first. Is that not the case?

With the current design, there is a definite stop, horizontally, that determines the location of the tube. With the modified design, it seems there would be no horizontal locator, no? Perhaps, instead of a tapered bottom mod (removing that 0.10"), you could have a stepped mod, and the tube would fit into that step, for a definite locator. It still might slide under the step, though, and not locate precisely.

You beat me to it. I am having a problem finding the right spot for the rounds to tip over and fall into the tube now.

 

[Zax]

I hate to screw up something that's now working...

Same here. I actually don't see how the mod improves things as it's so simple and quick (slick) as is.

 

[Jyezahn]

Same here. I actually don't see how the mod improves things as it's so simple and quick (slick) as is.

I think the mod was simply a work around to the possibility of breaking off the tab on the end of the tube, and nothing else. I painted my tube with some black wheel paint that I had laying around. It's got about 3 coats on it and is now significantly tighter in the loader, so there will be no need for me to worry about adjusting it anymore. I was going to do the mod, but thought I'd wait to see if my tab got bent during normal use and carry in the range bag.

 

[rraisley]

I think the mod was simply a work around to the possibility of breaking off the tab on the end of the tube, and nothing else.

I'm sure that's true. But if the tube material is made stronger and/or thicker, then the tab will be stronger as well, hopefully making the change unnecessary.

 

[Maddmax]

my exact thoughts.
im using 11/32 od,, the 5/6 od tube is to small id and 3/8 od tube dosent work because of the radius is to larger.
the 3/8 id is to large for the nozzle end to funnel the rounds directly into the magazine area allowing the round to wiggle side to side and get caught on the mag lips,, which is why i had to use 11/32 tube,,
i think a bit thicker wall thickness might take care of all the problems ,, my original prototypes i used brass and was adjustable but it was a little to stiff to adjust but held adjustments very well,
, i will get several samples of various aluminum alloys and wall thickness and try to find a happy medium..

That's why I trimmed just a "titch" off the mag lip corners. ...So the rounds would feed into the mag. The nozzle end sides were cut too high and the primer would get hung up on the mags lips as they slid down. I had to nudge each one down to get it to go in and on top of the next round. It works now.

 

[Maddmax]

you shouldn't need two mod the magazine at all to get it to work perfectly,,I really discourage any modification to the factory magazines

All I did was remove the sharp edge and they all work just fine now. Had the same problem with all my mag front lips. The nozzle sides were cut too high (?) and the primer would snag on the lips as it was trying to feed in. The nozzle tube sat on TOP of the rear feed lips (about 1/16th" + too far back) letting just enough plastic stick forward under the tube to catch the primer. Adjusting the nozzle didn't work,it was like the hole angles were off for the tube (??) to line up with the top of the mag by just a hair (too high). ...Like I said. I have them working just fine now and ZERO harm to the mags lips. All I did was take the sharp edge off the inside front of the feed lip so the round would clear and go to the back of the mag like it should (and would) if done by hand.

 

[Jeffro57]

I still have the tab on mine, but I filed a notch on the bottom of the box (centered) just wide enough to fit the tab in. I'm sliding the tube against the end of the box. No issues at all with round tumbling primer first down the tube. The only issue I have at all is keeping it in adjustment with the magazine lips. This thing is really fun to play with!

 

[Scopes]

so far yes,, i found out you cannot laser cut brass because its too reflective without painting it first, two manufactures already refused to laser cut them out of brass, so its still in the wirkz.
thanks for your interest!

Thank you. Looking forward to trying one out.

 

[skunkwerkz]

That's why I trimmed just a "titch" off the mag lip corners. ...So the rounds would feed into the mag. The nozzle end sides were cut too high and the primer would get hung up on the mags lips as they slid down. I had to nudge each one down to get it to go in and on top of the next round. It works now.

all these issues should be taken care of the final manufacturing,, with consistant cut tubes and a few more degree's of angel off attack should take care of 90% of fedd issues, and differnent tube material should take care of the adjustment holding still and less adujustments being needed.
all good reviews guys,, its only going to make a better product in the end!
thanks to everyone I really apriceate your input so far,as it extremely valuable to this development!

 

[straightshooter47]

i'm not in possession of a loader as a beta tester, however after watching all the instruction videos, i have a pretty good idea of how it works and i think QuiQNeZZ's idea about integrating the bullet hood (that is now part of the bullet tube and must be adjusted after being pushed thru the loader body's round hole) would be a very elegant progression of the design. i've attached a sketch of what i think he meant and/or what i visualize.

in any event, i'm waiting for the first opportunity to purchase a loader...

 

[skunkwerkz]

i'm not in possession of a loader as a beta tester, however after watching all the instruction videos, i have a pretty good idea of how it works and i think QuiQNeZZ's idea about integrating the bullet hood (that is now part of the bullet tube and must be adjusted after being pushed thru the loader body's round hole) would be a very elegant progression of the design. i've attached a sketch of what i think he meant and/or what i visualize.

in any event, i'm waiting for the first opportunity to purchase a loader...

nice drawing, much better than i can do freehand!
my original design was much along that line, but quickly got changed for two reasons first being able to adjust it if necessary. although with precise tooling and molding could be accomplished,, but the major reason was the cost of tooling for that kind of design, my first initial cost on the molds were well over 50,000, but using this design was far less expensive,keeping the final price cheaper. but if future sales are strong enough to support design changes i would love to incorporate the nozzle tip! i too feel it would be a much better design but for now i got a small budget to get this thing launched.
thanks for your input its good too see others interested in the design!

 

[Maddmax]

all these issues should be taken care of the final manufacturing,, with consistant cut tubes and a few more degree's of angel off attack should take care of 90% of fedd issues, and differnent tube material should take care of the adjustment holding still and less adujustments being needed.
all good reviews guys,, its only going to make a better product in the end!
thanks to everyone I really apriceate your input so far,as it extremely valuable to this development!

Just wanted to give you the input you're looking for. With the proper fit size tube and right angle they should work great. Since my small "trim mod" I have had zero problems with feeding the bullets into the mag. I have loaded and unloaded 2-3000 rounds just playing around. Takes a LOT longer unloading than loading and (so far) they have ALL staggered like they should. I have shot a couple mags and have had zero issues with any feeding or ejecting rounds. Used different 22 rounds with-out any problems. Any waxy coating (very little so far) starting,I just swab it out the feed tube with bore cleaner. I have left the "trip feed" and tab as is (so far),it's working just fine for now.

 

[skunkwerkz]

Just wanted to give you the input you're looking for. With the proper fit size tube and right angle they should work great. Since my small "trim mod" I have had zero problems with feeding the bullets into the mag. I have loaded and unloaded 2-3000 rounds just playing around. Takes a LOT longer unloading than loading and (so far) they have ALL staggered like they should. I have shot a couple mags and have had zero issues with any feeding or ejecting rounds. Used different 22 rounds with-out any problems. Any waxy coating (very little so far) starting,I just swab it out the feed tube with bore cleaner. I have left the "trip feed" and tab as is (so far),it's working just fine for now.

now thats what we like to here 2-3000! just playing! are you trying to say you like it?
i may need to start ----loaders anonymous!------

 

[QuiQNeZZ]

i'm not in possession of a loader as a beta tester, however after watching all the instruction videos, i have a pretty good idea of how it works and i think QuiQNeZZ's idea about integrating the bullet hood (that is now part of the bullet tube and must be adjusted after being pushed thru the loader body's round hole) would be a very elegant progression of the design. i've attached a sketch of what i think he meant and/or what i visualize.

in any event, i'm waiting for the first opportunity to purchase a loader...

Yup, this is exactly what I was talking about. Would be nice to see it in the next revision once money comes in to allow for it.

 

[billspin]

Sorry for the delay in testing and reporting. I finally got to try the loader today and after a bit of tweaking and straightening from shipping, I got it working very well. I was looking into the little tab issues noted by others and I have seen the modification to address this. I did not want to cut into the tray, it is so good looking, so I started thinking about what the tab does as far as alignment and tipping the round over correctly into the tube. What I have done is added a small plastic toothpick tapered end about 1/4 inch long into the end of the slot at the very end to let this do the tipping over. Now this possibly could be a small hump built into the mold or added after the fact like I did. If it was molded it would actually last a lot longer, what I did runs the risk of coming unglued and not functioning correctly down the line. This solved the problem of tipping the shell over correctly. Now as far as the alignment, I put the tray on the edge of a table, bump the tube against the tray at the bottom next to the table and the wide angle on the end gets the shells into the tube without any problems. With a little bit of practice I do not think I am going to have any issues with the alignment. With this said the end of the tube next to the tray is not as important to be exact any longer. I am going to spend some more time with this idea and will post more with some pictures if this seems to be reliable when used more. Thanks again for allowing me to be a beta tester and I am so looking forward to being able to promote this for you. Heading to the range tomorrow to show it off. Thanks Bill

 

[rraisley]

...I was looking into the little tab issues noted by others and I have seen the modification to address this. I did not want to cut into the tray, it is so good looking, so I started thinking about what the tab does as far as alignment and tipping the round over correctly into the tube...

I thought (and mentioned above) that the tab was helping to tip the bullets properly when pushed off the end, but I now realize that's not the case. First, because the suggested mod eliminates it (and no one's mentioned a problem with the tipping), but mostly because I hadn't realized that the bullets project downward further than the bottom of the slot. That is, when a bullet is in the slot, it's actually at an angle, one direction or the other. They normally (for me) slant away from the feed end, but as you push them, you can see them chatter a bit and switch to the other direction, so they're now slanted /away/ from the feed end. I've found it almost impossible to push even a single round, and not have it flip to the correct (backward slanted) direction. So, they always fall out base first, as the bullet end is still supported by the bottom of the slot while the rim falls free (first).

Not something I expected, but I now see the depth of slot is just another thing about this loader that has been properly thought out. It could have been deeper, with a raised area just at the end, but there's no real reason to do that; it works without it.

 

[OldEagleEars]

Just a note on alternative uses for the loader; as I mentioned in my test report, I tried it as a way to hasten the loading of my Henry Golden Boy's ammunition tube and while somewhat awkward at this state of method-development, seems to be promising. I have two tube-fed rifles that this should be useful for so I began the non-Skunk/authorized experimentation. I first removed the pressure rod from the magazine and inserted the end of the loader tube into the magazine. Then after loading the feed-block with fifteen rounds, I tumbled them into the loader tube and straight into the rifle's tubular magazine. I think I will have to fill the loader tube with the end blocked with a finger then take it to the rifle since I found it difficult to hold everything in alignment and I'm too old to comfortably pick all those little cartridges up every time! I'm thinking about making a loader tube dedicated to these rifles so I don't have to mess with the original tube. I also think I may play with some sort of "valve" to control the release of the cartridges from the tube into the magazine. Either way, it makes the SkunkWerkz loader the core of a very useful group of devices. More reports and (hopefully) pictures to follow; OldEagleEars out...

 

[skunkwerkz]

[/quote]Not something I expected, but I now see the depth of slot is just another thing about this loader that has been properly thought out. It could have been deeper, with a raised area just at the end, but there's no real reason to do that; it works without it.[/QUOTE]

pretty tricky eh,,i got 10 other protypes to make a bullet flip/tilt/jump/and rotate out of there also!,but this was the most feasible for molding,, any way i put my time in testing!

 

[skunkwerkz]

I did not want to cut into the tray, it is so good looking, so I started thinking about what the tab does as far as alignment Thanks Bill

correct ===the tab in this prototype does nothing other than help hold it in the tray to help keep it in front of the tray, as you get better just sitting it in front of the tray will work, but on my testing with new people was the coordination of holding it there at the right angle and sliding the rounds caused them to pull the loader off center and missing the tube altogether,

 

[hyrulejedi86]

So far I must agree with what has been said so far, especially the material of the tube. While adjusting the end that loads the rounds into the magazine I actually broke the sides of the half tube portion. It is still attached in the middle, though. Not enough to prevent function and it works well once adjusted, I agree with that wholeheartedly.

As for the mod I think that will work much better for loading the tube. So far so great! I haven't even gotten to use it but once at the range in the meantime I have been loading and unloading at home.

P.S. thanks for the shirt! It's awesome!