M&P 15-22 Performance Center Model

[Hobie1]

I don't own a PC 15-22

I do however have the manual that has the operating info for both my standard and the PC. In it, it does speak of the Laney match chamber and not to use Stingers with it. As for the PC gun being available right now, no it's not unless you're hooked up with someone way inside S&W's team. I called my local S&W distributor(Gil Hebard Guns, Knoxville, IL) and they just got the info from S&W last week along with a spec sheet. I'll go retrieve the spec sheet and any other info that they will give me and post it here when I can. Honestly, I think this whole thing has snowballed due to some mis-understandings or mis-leading, intentional or not,statements.

Film at 11....

One other thing, the comment was made pertaining to the veracity of the S&W customer service people. Have anyone had bad experiences with them giving out in-correct information? Just curious.

Hobie

 

[tacticool22]

Well, I for one must confess that I didn't read my new MOE standard grade 15-22's manual as I had just recently bought the pistol. Both are of course mechanically identical except the obvious stuff..length, grips, open sites..etc.

Lo and behold, there's all the info. on the Performance Center gun. But, that gun isn't out for sale into the middle of January, next year. So....I got to ask, do you guys actually have an advance prototype of these models? If you do, why would you be pissed? I'll trade you even up for your PC and my MOE. I actually paid just a little bit more but I'll take one for the team.

Regards,

Hobie

Lo and behold, there's all the info. on the Performance Center gun. Can you take a picture or scan the page with that info?
And the page that speaks of the Laney match chamber and not to use Stingers with it.

 

[corpulent]

This thread makes my head hurt

I just bought the A1 model a month ago. No "performance center" on the rifle or in the manual. No mention of Laney or anything else. It's the base model with the compensator on the end, nothing more.

 

[VooDuuChild]

I'll take a pic of the page in the manual and post it, but don't wanna get in trouble, would it be ok to post up? My bad on the differences in A1 vs PCM.

My MOE was just made a couple months ago (october) and the info is in the updated manual.

 

[VooDuuChild]

Ok, got permission to post the pic of the pages, but I gotta go get my boy. If someone hasn't done it before I get back, I'll try later.

 

[Jav]

 

[tacticool22]

Well I'll be. Learn something new every day. If you're lucky that is.
It looks like the PCM has a different stock, grip and trigger. Maybe a different rear sight, but it could be the lighting. And the handguard looks like it comes with ladders installed.
Can't really tell from the pic, but the barrel looks like it might have straight flutes and is maybe a little longer too.
Still can't find a "Laney Chamber" reference for a .22LR. Maybe it's something S&W made up for marketing.

 

[Jav]

Well I'll be. Learn something new every day. If you're lucky that is.
It looks like the PCM has a different stock, grip and trigger. Maybe a different rear sight, but it could be the lighting. And the handguard looks like it comes with ladders installed.
Can't really tell from the pic, but the barrel looks like it might have straight flutes and is maybe a little longer too.
Still can't find a "Laney Chamber" reference for a .22LR. Maybe it's something S&W made up for marketing.

I think the sight is different but it is a little hard to tell. The barrel looks longer to me too, dunno what "straight flutes" are though hehe.

 

[tacticool22]

Fluted Barrels

The different styles of fluted barres shown are;
Straight, Helical and Snake. They lighten the barrel and change the harmonics.

 

[corpulent]

The different styles of fluted barres shown are;
Straight, Helical and Snake. They lighten the barrel and change the harmonics.

Harmonics? Like my shots can be musical?

I see a Christmas carol done w/ different fluted barrels. Like those stupid barking dog ones, but with gunshots.

 

[VooDuuChild]

I doubt they'd just use the "Laney" term as a marketing strategy. I'd imagine that it was specifically designed for this rifle being the first of it's kind. Guess we'll find out. Personally, I love the fact S&W is leading the way in innovative new 22lr Tacticals.

 

[scootle]

This seems pretty exciting. From what I'm cobbling together in this thread:

• 18" fluted barrel
• Laney Match Chamber
• MSRP ~$769 (ouchie)
• Aftermarket grip of unknown make/model (Hogue? Hard to tell from picture)

Seems like between this new rifle and the possibility of an M&P 22LR pistol coming out, next year will be exciting for sure!

 

[JRD]

The Laney chamber was developed by T/C for their R55 Benchmark rifle. It's tighter and shorter than a standard 22 LR chamber for improved accuracy, but still loose enough to function a semi auto. There is a 22 Bentz chamber that some 10/22 aftermarket barrel makers put in their barrels. The Laney is a similar in concept.
CCI Stinger uses a longer case than standard 22LR that may stick in the shorter match chambers and cause problems. Stingers shoot fine in the standard 15-22 chambers.

Other features that I've had confirmed:
In addition to being longer and fluted, the barrel is larger OD.
The muzzle is threaded 1/2-28 and comes with a thread protector (but not a flash hider).
Two Stage Match Trigger.
The pistol grip is a Hogue overmolded.
Vltor stock.
Ladder rail panels.

 

[scootle]

Other features that I've had confirmed:
In addition to being longer and fluted, the barrel is larger OD.
The muzzle is threaded 1/2-28 and comes with a thread protector (but not a flash hider).
Two Stage Match Trigger.
The pistol grip is a Hogue overmolded.
Vltor stock.
Ladder rail panels.

Oh wow, 2-stage trigger would be nice too. I love Hogue grips... my 15-22 has one as it is. The other bits are nice bonuses too, with the stock upgrade and the ladder panels.

Threaded, fluted "bull" barrel... man, this thing is just selling itself!

It's almost as if they are really just putting out a 15-22 "SPR" for all intents and purposes.

Can't wait.

 

[VooDuuChild]

I just wish it was cheaper, that's a lot of dough to spend on a 22lr......but I wouldn't kick it outta my gun safe if you know what I mean...haha.

 

[scootle]

I wonder if they will do anything to alter the receiver/handguard/barrel "sandwich" interface a bit and just do something to have receiver/barrel as the main connection and then hang the handguard off of that, like on a regular AR. Especially if they hope to market this as more of a "precision" variant of the 15-22?

Probably really minor, but it could make a difference.

 

[Hobie1]

Price

Although it's MSRP is $769, I'll bet you'll be able to get one for under $600. I bought my 2 15-22s from Gil Hebard and paid $402 for the pistol and $475 for the MOE(plus tax of course). I'm seriously thinking about selling my MOE to get the P C model, but I really like my MOE. So many guns so little money.

Hobie

 

[tacticool22]

No tax in Oregon of course.

 

[Hobie1]

we pay yours here in the republik of IL.

 

[tacticool22]

I don't think you have our income or property taxes. At least we don't get nickel and dimed to death with every purchase. Does IL send money to OR for a State sales tax?