M&P 15T Replacement
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Hope they keep the 1:8 5R barrels. Didn't think much about that when I bought my rifle but I'm sure glad it had that nice barrel.
Come on man, 1:7 is the only way to go, if you don't have one, your rifle is useless, horrible, waste of money, and needs to be thrown away. It's mil-spec or nothing, because the Government ensures they always get the best..
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I found the following info for anyone interested; looks like we are getting an MLok handguard and the same 1:8 barrel. Below is some info such as price, UPC and Model Number.
SMITH AND WESSON M&P15T 223 REM | 5.56 NATO
SM11600
M&P15T 5.56MM 16" MLOK RAIL
11600 FLIP SIGHTS/6-*** STOCK
223 Rem | 5.56 NATO
UPC: 022188869385 MFG MDL #: 11600
MSRP: $1,189.00
Found a single stock image, appears to be "out of stock" here:
Smith & Wesson M&P15T 5.56 16 MLOK 30 - 11600 | CenterfireGuns
On another site I saw an availability of "allocated". Seems to be popping up on a bunch of sites as "out of stock" with no pics or details. Seems like it should be arriving soon.
SMITH AND WESSON M&P15T 223 REM | 5.56 NATO
SM11600
M&P15T 5.56MM 16" MLOK RAIL
11600 FLIP SIGHTS/6-*** STOCK
223 Rem | 5.56 NATO
UPC: 022188869385 MFG MDL #: 11600
MSRP: $1,189.00
Found a single stock image, appears to be "out of stock" here:
Smith & Wesson M&P15T 5.56 16 MLOK 30 - 11600 | CenterfireGuns
On another site I saw an availability of "allocated". Seems to be popping up on a bunch of sites as "out of stock" with no pics or details. Seems like it should be arriving soon.
It also looks like the MLok handguard is at least 12" as opposed to the 10" quadrail on the previous one.
cyphertext
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It also looks like the MLok handguard is at least 12" as opposed to the 10" quadrail on the previous one.
I wondered if the barrel is shorter... look at how long that flash hider is.
Looks like the same Patented Smith & Wesson Flash Suppressor that is on the M&P MOE & VTAC II which also have a mid gas system so I am guessing it is a 16" barrel. Not a fan of the additional length.
M&P(R)15 MOE(R) Mid | Smith & Wesson
In the end it is a good move to go towards a free floated Mlok tube. I personally prefer Keymod but both work and both have strong industry support.
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blkM&P-15T
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I bought the M&P-15T specifically for it's 1:8 twist and the quad rail- I'm happy I was finally able to buy one. mine gets out of CA gun jail this Saturday.
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cyphertext
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You are right. Guess I never paid attention to the flash hider on those models.
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I am new to AR15s and really to guns in general, so I recently found a video discussing pros/cons between MLok and Keymod. They suggested that one is likely to overcome the other in market share, and that since MLok has been adopted by companies such as Magpul, it is more likely to succeed. So if that's accurate, I'm glad S&W is a adopting it here. The additional length(I think I counted an extra 6 rail positions vs the quad rail) looks better to me, and I would assume makes shooting easier when you can grip the handguard further out. Really excited to see this in person!
Found this website today. No idea if it's a reliable note, but it suggests these might be available in the next few days.
S&W M&P15T 5.56 SA 16B 30R - Sam's Locker
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I am new to AR15s and really to guns in general, so I recently found a video discussing pros/cons between MLok and Keymod. They suggested that one is likely to overcome the other in market share, and that since MLok has been adopted by companies such as Magpul, it is more likely to succeed. So if that's accurate, I'm glad S&W is a adopting it here. The additional length(I think I counted an extra 6 rail positions vs the quad rail)
looks better to me, and I would assume makes shooting easier when you can grip the handguard further out. Really excited to see this in person!
Found this website today. No idea if it's a reliable note, but it suggests these might be available in the next few days.
S&W M&P15T 5.56 SA 16B 30R - Sam's Locker
Honestly I think both will survive. Keymod was developed by VLTOR and Noveske. Companies like BCM, Daniel Defense, Aero and others have adopted Keymod.
Magpul developed the Mlok which accounts for the higher sales numbers. Even novice AR15 shooters are aware of the Magpul brand name.
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I didn't realize MLok was a Magpul product, my mistake.
The other reasons I heard for why Keymod might not last were that the machinery to make it is more complex and expensive, and that the design itself requires a license to duplicate. But with names like BCM and DD behind it as you said, and apparently a good aftermarket presence, it makes sense that Keymod probably isnt going away either.
blkM&P-15T
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Everyone prefers their choice of handguard for different reasons- when I told a shooting buddy I was putting a free-floating quad rail on one of my AR's, he told me don't do it- they were obsolete. I still did, and am very happy with the choice I made. Sure, switching to a keymod hand guard will appeal to many, but S&W needs to ask themselves why the M&P-15T was so popular in the first place- it wasn't just the 1:8 twist. Many people want the quad rail and add it to the ARs all the time.
Speaking of Magpul, I wish S&W would have offered the M&P-15T with a better stock and grip- I'm putting a CTR stock and MOE+ grip on my 15T as soon as possible. Those two items make any AR more comfortable to shoot, at least for me.
Geno
Speaking of Magpul, I wish S&W would have offered the M&P-15T with a better stock and grip- I'm putting a CTR stock and MOE+ grip on my 15T as soon as possible. Those two items make any AR more comfortable to shoot, at least for me.
Geno
I agree. I think that is why OEM models are as popular as they are.
I have two 15Ts. One is completely stock and my girlfriend uses it. The only modification I've done to the other one is a CTR stock and MOE pistol grip. I would have went with a MOE+ but couldn't find it in Foliage Green.
I do have a CTR , MOE+ grip as well as a MOE for end on another AR15 carbine I first bought years ago.
All three have a Magpul ASAP..
Obviously I do like Magpul stuff.
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blkM&P-15T
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I finally got my M&P-15T home last night (10 day wait in CA gun jail- 5:10 pm and not a minute earlier). The 15T's Melonite barrel does have a nice finish on it, but as expected, the stock and grip are fill and are basic spare-parts items.
I'm betting the 15T will be downgraded with the 1:9 twist barrel found on the Sport II.
Geno
I'm betting the 15T will be downgraded with the 1:9 twist barrel found on the Sport II.
Geno
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Quad rails were popular, but that is changing. Many folks seem to want what the military uses, and with the Army adopting MLok for a rifle I think the quad rails days are numbered. Factor in that with MLok or Keymod both allow you to attach gizmos to your rifle but do not have the cheese grater effect of the quad rail, and you can see that these are the future.
cyphertext
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I'll take that bet! I would be very surprised if S&W changed the barrel on the 15T. The 15T is one of their upper-middle range rifles. If they change the barrel to match the Sport 2, then they would lose sales due to folks just buying the Sport 2 and adding the free float rail themselves.
They kept that 1:8 twist, 5R barrel on the 15T so that it would be considered as a premium rifle over the Sport. Product differentiation.
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While I have no plans nor want to change the quad rail on my rifle, the M-LOK and Keymod are definitely the way to go I think for most applications. Smaller in diameter, lower profile mounting, lighter and they got to be cheaper to make than cutting out a quad rail, ya think?
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