M&P 9 Shield Slide Stop Difficult

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Page 17 of the owners booklet clearly states to pull the slide to the rear, & allow it to move fully forward to load the round into the chamber. Of course, we can do anything we want with our personal property. Just like if I wanted I could drive my car in 1st gear all day long. GARY

But you neglected to mention a contrary indication located on page 18 at bottom paragraph.

And I don't see anywhere that it's NOT recommended to use the slide stop to chamber a round from the magazine.

I had to do it that way with my Kahr, e.g., using the slide stop to chamber, though not stiff as with the Shield. I feel that is the best way to avoid a failure to go into battery, and prefer doing it that way though I am left-handed. As stated, it's also faster.
 
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Oh wait...I almost forgot...some people have suggested that using the slide stop will cause wear and failure?

I have to ask...Where did you hear this? Point me to a source.

I have two Shields that have a documented and monitored round count of over 15,000 rounds each (one has over 18,000 rounds) and neither have had any maintenance other than cleaning and lube since 5,000 rounds. They are still operating on the recoil spring assembly that was changed at 5k. We used the slide release constantly and still do.

So when is it supposed to wear out...Just so I know... since so many of us will be shooting 18,000 rounds through our Shields?
 
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Slide stop, slide release, who cares? We can also banter "big" names back and forth. Heck, Ed Brown says it's a slide stop, not a release and the overhand method is the "right" way to do it. I'm sure if I looked I could find more to support one or the other theory. This debate will continue long after this thread is forgotten.

The only thing that matters is, can the shooter effectively manipulate their gun? You can claim that using the thing on the side to release the slide will cause premature wear. But you cannot deny what SoCalDep has proven through use; it will take more rou ds than most will fire in their lifetimes to wear it out.

So, use it how you like. The slide stop (official S&W name for the part) is cheap and easily replaced if you wear it out. S&W will fix or replace the slide for free if you manage to wear it out. Go use your gun and stop worrying about this little stuff.
 
Back in the day when my Dept converted from wheel guns to semi's, (5906) we were trained to use it as a slide release. Over the years, I've heard many pros and cons from many "experts". About a year ago, I called Smith & Wesson to ask them what their instructors were teaching. The answer I got was that they "preferred' using the sling shot method due to possible premature wear on the slide lock, however either way was ok. Personally, I will use the sling shot at the range to charge the weapon, but if I'm ever in a combat reloading situation, I will revert back to my training and use it as a slide release.
 
When I first started shooting as a young-un, I was taught to use the lever as a slide release and most semi autos were set up with a large, grooved lever that made this relatively easy (early S&W autos, Beretta 92 etc). Fast forward to where departments using the semi auto is the rule instead of the exception and there have been many years of training and real life incidents to draw from and it seems that using the lever as a slide release has somewhat fallen out of favor. Some say that it's too easy to miss in a high stress situation, or that you might have a lever that is too stiff to easily "release" and this could be very detrimental in a gunfight. So now the preferred method SEEMS to be the overhand or slingshot method, with the "belief" that this is more reliable and more effective way of charging the weapon after firing it dry (assuming your gun doesn't "automatically" slam shut upon a vigorous insertion of the fresh magazine).

I still have the habit of using it as a slide release, but I am trying to retrain myself into using the overhand or slingshot because I CAN see both sides of the argument and I think both sides have some merit.
 
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I'm pretty much of the " whatever works best for YOU on a particular gun"..

I WILL say that on MY Shield the design of the slide lock lever is such that in MY hands it is difficult to operate consistently. I train to use the overhand slingshot method , which DOES operate consistently and pretty much with ANY pistol .

I personally think the slide release method , on a pistol that is designed for it, is FASTER for some people that looking to gain every possible timing advantage in competition.... If the Shield 9mm is designed to use the slide release method, they didn't do a very good job on the design IMHO.
I am no expert, but I've converted to the slingshot method and practice that way these days.

YMMV
 
Back to the point of this thread. I also have a new Shield with only about 100 rounds through it and the slide stop/release is very difficult to to use as a release. Non of my FS or compacts are like this. I'm planning on shooting it more to see if that helps loosen it up. I'm not too concerned as I use the overhand method to release the slide (as was taught in our NRA basic pistol class), most of the time.
The last thing I want to do is send it back to S&W, their customer service right now sucks.
 
95% of my shooting is either competition or practice for competition. The fastest way to reload is to not shoot the pistol to slide lock but drop the mag before that and put a new one in. This is a problem with IDPA where one would have to do a "reload with retention" to avoid a penalty, I shoot mostly USPSA so that's not an issue. On the occasion where I screw up and shoot to slide lock (oh no :eek:) I use the slide lock to release the slide after I reload (if the act of inserting the mag doesn't release it;)). Personally I don't think the edges will wear to the point that it won't catch the slide, look at the picture below. My slide lock button broke off at ~ 60K rounds, and it was still catching the slide normally (I shoot to slide lock during practice, not in a match).
 

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I have two Shields that have a documented and monitored round count of over 15,000 rounds each (one has over 18,000 rounds) and neither have had any maintenance other than cleaning and lube since 5,000 rounds. They are still operating on the recoil spring assembly that was changed at 5k. We used the slide release constantly and still do.

So when is it supposed to wear out...Just so I know... since so many of us will be shooting 18,000 rounds through our Shields?


Originally Posted by SoCalDep on 08/24/14
"Family Pic... Looking forward to picking up a Shield in the next month or so..."
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/176479-m-p-picture-thread-27.html Post 1311 Page #27

So now all of a sudden you own two Shields since 08/24/14 and have already shot over 18,000 rds. thru one of them and 15,000 thru the second. Now we know where all of the Ammo is.

Carry on Deputy
 
OP I have a new Shield 40 and have about 200 rnds through it and the Slide Stop is still really stiff. I can operate it with one thumb now though, but if I do it half a dozen times my thumb is feeling it! My other M&P's 40fs/40c, Slide Stops broke in fairly easily, this Shield not so easily, but it is starting to come around.
 
My shield slide stop was gruesome until I got around 500 rounds. That's including a lot of dry releases. I kept reminding myself (and researched) that it's a slide stop, not a slide release.
 
Originally Posted by SoCalDep on 08/24/14
"Family Pic... Looking forward to picking up a Shield in the next month or so..."
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/176479-m-p-picture-thread-27.html Post 1311 Page #27

So now all of a sudden you own two Shields since 08/24/14 and have already shot over 18,000 rds. thru one of them and 15,000 thru the second. Now we know where all of the Ammo is.

Carry on Deputy

I don't own them, but our unit has them and I have access to them at any time, so yes...I "have" them...And seeing as how I wrote the report that got them approved for our department, I'd know how many rounds were fired during the testing process. Anyone who works for my department can figure out what department I work for. They can PM me and I'll be happy to provide the information to validate my background.

Of course... This is the internet, so believe me or don't, though I do find it amusing you spent so much time trying to discredit me rather than address the facts of the issue at hand which include the videos I posted, the fact that the lever was manufactured to provide the option to push down (serrations on top) that your dependence on the manual ignores a contrary statement in the same manual, and other than the manual you've given no justification whatsoever for your OPINION. I get that there are valid reasons for both methods of chambering a round (we use both)... But to say using the slide stop/release is wrong displays a lack of knowledge, experience, and is all to common these days on internet forums.

P.S.--- You haven't responded about those videos I posted...I don't think anyone questions their background... So are they wrong or not?
 
There is a lot of spring tension on that little stop, which may be why the muzzle flip is far less than you'd expect in a small gun with such a short barrel.

For me, it's easier to just pull the slide back and release it.
 
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For me, it's easier to just pull the slide back and release it.

That's definitely true for me as well, but I've only 135 rounds through mine.

But even with so few rounds it is easier to use the slide stop now than it was during the safety demonstration when I picked it up from the selling FFL. Out of habit I tried the slide stop to cycle a snap cap and could not do it. The guy suggested that I just use slingshot when he saw my difficulty, which I did.

Again, it is loosening up a bit.
 
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Wow... Creative response but still no substantive rebuttal to my statements and still no one wants to say the people in those videos, some of whom shoot M&Ps and one of whom is sponsored by S&W are doing it wrong.

I have a problem with people putting out false information based on lack of knowledge, training, and experience and not only stating it as fact but fervently defending it to the point of juvenile personal insults. Sadly, this forum has lacked oversight for some time and bad information has become pervasive.
 
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Wow... Creative response but still no substantive rebuttal to my statements and still no one wants to say the people in those videos, some of whom shoot M&Ps and one of whom is sponsored by S&W are doing it wrong.

I have a problem with people putting out false information based on lack of knowledge, training, and experience and not only stating it as fact but fervently defending it to the point of juvenile personal insults. Sadly, this forum has lacked oversight for some time and bad information has become pervasive.

What does the manual say in reference to the shield?

It is a slide release...Look at it... There are serrations on the TOP to assist in pushing it down...if it was only a stop it wouldn't have those serrations.

Explain this for me pls. There are serrations on the entire Slide Stop because a thumb will engulf the entire Slide Stop while operating it. I'm not following your logic here on why you believe that makes it a Slide Release?
 
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Landing a fighter plane on an aircraft carrier requires fine motor skills and is kinda life and death...So does landing an airliner full of people in the Hudson river.
Actually, no. Studies have been done by the USAF(?) that concluded flying an airplane involves mostly upper arm movements. This is especially true for stick control in a fighter jet. Because of this, it was a task less affected by the use of either the dominant or weak hand.

Operating the various weapons controls and buttons on the stick would obviously require fine motor skills. Basic flight controls, no.

Is the overhand method invalid? Nope. It works well across a wide range of handguns and requires far less training to accomplish. If you want to train for maximum speed and efficiency the slide stop/release/whatever is a better way.
I agree and prefer pistols that make this easy. A lot of polymer guns, though, don't. I don't know if S&W designed the Shield's slide stop to be a release also. If they did, they'd done a lousy job. All of the M&Ps have similar slide stop style and serration. My 40C is next to impossible to release, whereas the 40FS is easy - almost too easy. In fact, most often, it will release on its own just from me slamming the mag in.

My Shield 40 is somewhat in the middle. Possible to release, but not "like buttah" as with other guns with proper release levers (CZs, 92s, 1911s, etc.).
 
What does the manual say in reference to the shield?

Well...It says this:



and this:




Explain this for me pls. There are serrations on the entire Slide Stop because a thumb will engulf the entire Slide Stop while operating it. I'm not following your logic here on why you believe that makes it a Slide Release?

The thumb may engulf the entire slide stop but serrations on a downward slope do nothing to assist on upward movement of the slide stop/release. The only purpose of serrations on a downward slope is to prevent slipping on the lever when pushing down. Thus serrations on the upper part (downward slope) of the lever are clearly and undeniably intended to assist in pushing down (releasing).


Actually, no. Studies have been done by the USAF(?) that concluded flying an airplane involves mostly upper arm movements. This is especially true for stick control in a fighter jet. Because of this, it was a task less affected by the use of either the dominant or weak hand.

Operating the various weapons controls and buttons on the stick would obviously require fine motor skills. Basic flight controls, no.

"Actually".... I think you are correct and I was wrong... I had what seems to be a common misconception regarding what "fine motor skills" actually are. I checked on line and couldn't fine any of the USAF studies, but I found enough to see that basic flight controls wouldn't fall under the proper definition of fine motor skills. At the same time, I found some information that calls into question much of what most of us think of as fine vs. gross motor skills.

I will refer to this article...

Dexterity & Motor Skills

...to illustrate what I have erroneously categorized as fine motor skills, and what might be more aptly called coordination skills...or something of that sort. Just for information, Mike Pannone is former USMC Recon AND Army 1sr SFOD-D.

Thank you M&Pmeister for pointing this out... I have definitely learned something from this thread!


I agree and prefer pistols that make this easy. A lot of polymer guns, though, don't. I don't know if S&W designed the Shield's slide stop to be a release also. If they did, they'd done a lousy job. All of the M&Ps have similar slide stop style and serration. My 40C is next to impossible to release, whereas the 40FS is easy - almost too easy. In fact, most often, it will release on its own just from me slamming the mag in.

My Shield 40 is somewhat in the middle. Possible to release, but not "like buttah" as with other guns with proper release levers (CZs, 92s, 1911s, etc.).

I agree that the slide stop on a Shield is nowhere near as user-friendly as on a 1911 or Beretta 92F, etc. That said, there are always sacrifices and balances made when designing compact (or sub compact) pistols vs. full size guns.

My S&W 915 has a slide stop/release that has several pronounced steps on the downward slope making it work very well as a release. My compact 3914 has the same type of lever, but it is thinner, and thus is more difficult to actuate. This is not because the lever isn't intended for the same job, but that ease of use was sacrificed for concealment and overall reduction in width.

Glock pistols use a very small slide "stop" lever, but I have no problem using as a release. Glock even manufactures a factory release that is more pronounced (standard on initial FBI contract Glocks as well as the Glock 34 and 35) though the internal interface (what would wear over time) is the same between the two levers...so regardless of what has been "said", Glock seems perfectly content with users manipulating that lever as a release.

I'm not so caught up on how one releases the slide (lever or powerstroke/racking) as I feel that it is largely dependent on how much training one has, expects to receive, practice, dedication to the individual platform (will they be using a variety of guns, etc.), and the individual situation presented at the time.

I'm not trying to say one way is "better" because "better" doesn't exist in a vaccum... A cop using the same firearm every day might train specifically for that platform. Someone who has to carry one gun at a certain time, and a completely different platform at another might do things differently. Slide mounted safeties vs. frame mounted safeties vs. no safeties might change one's specific technique. The use of a full-size gun vs. a compact might change technique or require additional practice/training.

All I'm saying, is those who claim something should "only" be done a particular way, usually end up wrong at some point. I'm an advocate of solving problems, not being married to dogma.
 
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