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M&P compact 2.0 vs Sig p320 compact.
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I have several M&P's and several P320's (of all sizes). They are both excellent guns with their own personal strengths. They are both well made, very accurate, perfectly reliable, and will serve you well. After that it is all about preference.
I use the small back straps in my M&P and the small grip module on my P320's. There is a pretty substantial change in ergos by going to the small, even though I prefer the trigger reach of the medium. The factory trigger on the P320 is better than the M&P M1.0, a little better than the M2.0 and not quite as good as the PC. The big difference for me is concealability. The P320C is almost the same overall height as a full size M&P. The M2.0 Compact has a much smaller feel to it and it conceals better IMO. At the same time I like the P320SC better than the original M&P 9C.
If someone threatened to have Hillary Clinton kiss me if I didn't choose one gun, I would go with the M2.0 Compact. But otherwise I will happily keep, rotate and carry both my M&P's and my P320's.
I use the small back straps in my M&P and the small grip module on my P320's. There is a pretty substantial change in ergos by going to the small, even though I prefer the trigger reach of the medium. The factory trigger on the P320 is better than the M&P M1.0, a little better than the M2.0 and not quite as good as the PC. The big difference for me is concealability. The P320C is almost the same overall height as a full size M&P. The M2.0 Compact has a much smaller feel to it and it conceals better IMO. At the same time I like the P320SC better than the original M&P 9C.
If someone threatened to have Hillary Clinton kiss me if I didn't choose one gun, I would go with the M2.0 Compact. But otherwise I will happily keep, rotate and carry both my M&P's and my P320's.
Somehow, I'm not at all surprised. (I mean, it ain't like there was an infamous fatality from a dropped pistol on the deck of a battleship in in WWII, that resulted in S&W forever altering their revolvers to prevent exactly this. Yeah, I can see how the military trials geniuses could overlook any sort of drop test
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Ray1970
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I know they have a thumb safety, but I guess on a battlefield with bullets zipping past everywhere they don't care if you drop your gun and it goes off.
If you're in a battle and bullets are flying all around and you've somehow found yourself drawing a handgun then dropping it and possibly having it discharge are the least of your worries.
Doug M.
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The problems with the P320 are well documented, and Sig's horrible response when called on it is even worse than the original problem. Friends in the industry have reported major flaws in the pistol, in Sig's response, and in the military testing. This is not uncommon with Sig, which is a darned shame, but I can't see any reason to buy the 320 in any variant, or much of anything else from them.
They have a well known and long history of poor QC and even worse responses to being called on that. I can recall reading a long report of such problems with LE issued pistols and poor response from Sig at least 10 years ago. NJSP is in litigation with them right now over defective pistols delivered for an order. When there are so many better options with far better histories and far better response to proven problems, why on earth would anyone subject themselves to the crud with Sig?
They have a well known and long history of poor QC and even worse responses to being called on that. I can recall reading a long report of such problems with LE issued pistols and poor response from Sig at least 10 years ago. NJSP is in litigation with them right now over defective pistols delivered for an order. When there are so many better options with far better histories and far better response to proven problems, why on earth would anyone subject themselves to the crud with Sig?
catcus-jack
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And you can honestly say S&W pistols have not had problems. Lol
Since you are in Denver, it shouldn't be difficult to find a range that rents both pistols. Shoot them back-to-back for at least 100 rounds each. By then any positives and negatives should emerge. Forum members can relate their own experiences (and biases), but it is how these guns work in your hands that should be the main determining factor of your purchase.
Good Shooting!
Doug M.
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Oh heck no. However, the response from Sig is so dishonest and well documented as such that they are in a class by themselves. People I have known and respected for a long time have been directly involved in the issues of both the LE and military purchases, and the situation is far worse than generally known. Even the publicly released information is scary and would justify any reasonable person in refusing to carry one. It's been pretty heavily discussed on LF.
dipperdave
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I bought a 320 shortly after they were introduced. It shot way high, but Sig replaced the sights under warranty and they returned it to me in 10 days. Shot fine after that.
I kept that gun about 18 months and shot it 1500+ rounds. It worked perfectly for me every shot. However, over time I just didn't especially like it so I sold it. Nothing against the gun, except that the plastic frame felt a little on the cheap and flimsy side. To me. It was mostly that it felt like a Sig and I've never kept any Sig for more than a couple of years.
Just personal preference and nothing more.
I've owned three M&P in the past and they were all okay but were gradually sold off. I've owned over three dozen striker fired handguns and only keep the ones I really like.
Last week I bought the 2.0 compact. It was down to it and the Gen 5 Glock 19 and I chose the Smith. I already have two Gen 4 19s which I like, but am not a Glock fanboy.
I really like the feel of the 2.0 compact and the trigger, even new, is better than any of my old M&Ps. Unfortunately, the recoil spring broke during the first box of ammo and is off to Smith for a replacement.
I don't think there is any doubt that I'm going to like this 2.0 compact better than my Sig 320. But, that's just me.
I had seen something on another forum that the 2.0 compacts were having problems with broken recoil springs. Anyone else heard of that or had problems with their own? Hope mine was just a fluke.
I kept that gun about 18 months and shot it 1500+ rounds. It worked perfectly for me every shot. However, over time I just didn't especially like it so I sold it. Nothing against the gun, except that the plastic frame felt a little on the cheap and flimsy side. To me. It was mostly that it felt like a Sig and I've never kept any Sig for more than a couple of years.
Just personal preference and nothing more.
I've owned three M&P in the past and they were all okay but were gradually sold off. I've owned over three dozen striker fired handguns and only keep the ones I really like.
Last week I bought the 2.0 compact. It was down to it and the Gen 5 Glock 19 and I chose the Smith. I already have two Gen 4 19s which I like, but am not a Glock fanboy.
I really like the feel of the 2.0 compact and the trigger, even new, is better than any of my old M&Ps. Unfortunately, the recoil spring broke during the first box of ammo and is off to Smith for a replacement.
I don't think there is any doubt that I'm going to like this 2.0 compact better than my Sig 320. But, that's just me.
I had seen something on another forum that the 2.0 compacts were having problems with broken recoil springs. Anyone else heard of that or had problems with their own? Hope mine was just a fluke.
catcus-jack
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I have put about 1000 rounds through my 2.0 Compact with no trouble at all.
greeenteeee
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Wow, broken recoil spring? I always thought that was a catastrophic failure to a pistol (e.g. would damage the pistol). Did you experience anything like that?
I recently sold off a P320. Didn't shoot well with it but as it turns out it may have had the wrong sights from the factory. I liked how it felt in hand, but couldn't control the muzzle that well. I can keep a G19 Gen 3 with a single recoil spring under control more easily.
dipperdave
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I've never had a recoil spring break on a gun before. Get weak and need to be replaced Yes, but never a broken one.
I can see nothing wrong with the gun other than the spring having a break about 2/3 of the way up from the blue end.
I'm a shooter and not a gunsmith, but I don't see how the recoil spring breaking could cause catastrophic damage. It just broke and didn't have the power to strike the primer with enough force to fire the gun.
After I ejected the weak primer strike round, the broken recoil spring also didn't have enough power to push the slide all the way forward. It lacked about a quarter inch going into complete battery. So I cleared and field stripped the gun.
I had to look closely and move the spring around to find the break but it was broken completely into. As I said, this is a first for me and disappointing that it happened with a brand new gun on round #47 of the first box of ammo fired out of it.
I expect Smith to make it right but I've never had to send back any of the dozens and dozens of S&Ws I've owned over the decades.
That is a lot of conjecture and very little fact. Sig has no better or worse QC or reputation than any other major gun maker. The P320 is a proven design that had one very very minor issue so unlikely to occur that many owners aren't even sending theirs in.
And the NJSP issue was determined to be an ammo issue not spec'd out by the NJSP to Sig, who bent over backwards to help them out.
Granddad
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I've owned a P320c for a couple of years and have close to 4k rounds through it. However, I've never even handled the M&P 2.0, so I can't compare the two pistols. That said, I've been very satisfied with the SIG, it has an excellent trigger for a striker-fired gun, is very accurate, has been totally reliable, and I have and will continue to highly recommend it to others.
Got a M&P .22 compact last year..... fun gun...................reliable......
Been reading/following this and other threads on the M&P Compact........I got a full size M&P a few months ago (Gen1 for $300; wanted to try it and for $300.) kind of like it......thought/thinking the Compact might be interesting.......... but what do I really gain over my "old" 3rd Gen 6906/04s and PC Shorty-9s that have served me well since 1990.
Does it justify not only a new gun but leather and extra mags?????
Been reading/following this and other threads on the M&P Compact........I got a full size M&P a few months ago (Gen1 for $300; wanted to try it and for $300.) kind of like it......thought/thinking the Compact might be interesting.......... but what do I really gain over my "old" 3rd Gen 6906/04s and PC Shorty-9s that have served me well since 1990.
Does it justify not only a new gun but leather and extra mags?????
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catcus-jack
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Spare parts are getting very hard to find for 3rd gen pistols.If they happen to break they may be down for a very long time.For Concealed carry the 2.0 Compact is a good bit lighter while still giving you 15 + 1 capacity.It is reliable and accurate and S&W will repair it if need be.So to me it would be worth it.I love my 3rd gens but carry a 2.0 compact.
IIRC the 6906 weighs in at about 26 oz.... S&W lists the Compact at just over 24 oz. the 6906 is about a half inch shorter....... ...3 less rounds....I carry a spare 15rd mag with +2 adaptor.....
I've accumulated some 'spares" over the years..................
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I have both the M&P 2.0 Compact and the P320 Compact (returned from upgrade). Out of the box, the P320's trigger is better, but I find the M&P to point better, and with the Apex AEK trigger, there is no comparison, the M&P is my favorite. I got to play with a M2.0 Compact with the Flatty Apex yesterday, and it is very nice. I just like more take-up than that in a carry pistol.
