So I've been carrying my wife's G19 as a backpack/truck/desk drawer/occasional CCW. I also have a Shield that gets carried often as deep concealed but I really don't like it nor am I very proficient with it like I am the Glock, mostly because of my very large hands. My wife decided she is repossessing the G19 for her EDC which leaves me needing to buy another gun, I know, terrible. The M&P compact feels amazing in my hand and seems that it will be very concealable which leaves me with just one question, 9mm or 40? Not another 9 vs 40, but yes, in this gun just by the numbers is there any benefit to 40 in this short barrel?
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This is a good idea.
So are you saying the M&P compact isn't that reliable? I've got plenty of mags for the G19 and at the amount I shoot it no parts should wear out in my lifetime. Back to the M&P, just watched some YouTube videos on short barrel ammo, looks like Federal 147+P is the go to round and 40 cal doesn't add anything of substance to this firearm.
I'm in Colorado and it's a pretty dry state, how does the M&P 9c hold up to the elements?
I'm in Colorado and it's a pretty dry state, how does the M&P 9c hold up to the elements?
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No one said it's not reliable. Most current production autos are, right out of the box.
They were pointing out that, if you like the G19, and you're wife already has one, why not get another?
Now if you want a new and different type of pistol, then I think you're making a fine choice. FWIW, I prefer 9 over 40 in any pistol when available.
They were pointing out that, if you like the G19, and you're wife already has one, why not get another?
Now if you want a new and different type of pistol, then I think you're making a fine choice. FWIW, I prefer 9 over 40 in any pistol when available.
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With modern bullets the 9mm gives up little to the .40. Besides, the 9mm recoil is less, so follow up shots can be quicker.
Not that they are common, but all of the spontaneous disassemblies (kabooms) I've heard of with the M&P and Glock have been with the .40's.
Not that they are common, but all of the spontaneous disassemblies (kabooms) I've heard of with the M&P and Glock have been with the .40's.
I like my 9c and it shoots great. It is very comfortable to carry and I have not had any issues with it after about 600 round of use. It boils down to what you are the most comfortable with and shoot the best.
Arik
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Why not rent one first before dropping several hundred dollars on it? This way if you don't lime it you're not out any money
Also, if the G19 works for you why not just buy one?
Also, if the G19 works for you why not just buy one?
Where's that popcorn guy?
I love my 40 Compact, have for quite a while. I have no problem with the so called "40 flip". A firm grip & good stance goes a long way towards taking care of that, I guess...I like 180gr. JHP, myself.
I love my 40 Compact, have for quite a while. I have no problem with the so called "40 flip". A firm grip & good stance goes a long way towards taking care of that, I guess...I like 180gr. JHP, myself.
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Fox4506
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I agree that a Glock 19 is a good choice since you already like it and you can swap mags etc, with the wife.
With that said I have a 40c and I love it. Recoil isn't a problem for me either.
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With that said I have a 40c and I love it. Recoil isn't a problem for me either.
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40 cal isn't an issue for me in the right gun, had a G23 that was a blast to shoot as long as it was heavier bullets. Glocks are great guns but I'm getting a little chunky and it makes the Glock uncomfortable. I do need to shoot the MP9c first but I've handled them and they fit my hand near perfect. I want to get it in 40 but I'm just a little concerned with muzzle flip and follow up shots, however it's very close in size to the G19, should be similar.
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I have a 9c and have carried G19s and 23s in the past. The G19 is an efficient size. I have come to prefer the ergonomics and trigger of the 9c, and carry year -round in all seasons .Never worried about rust or effects from the elements with Glocks or M&Ps.
Well, in regards to 9mm vs .40S&W, here's a nice test on a variety of ammo shot out of short barreled handguns which include a 9C.
Handgun Self-Defense Ammunition - Ballistic Testing Data
Handgun Self-Defense Ammunition - Ballistic Testing Data
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9mm ammo is less expensive than .40, 9mm magazines hold more rounds, and at self defense distances the 9 is just as effective. It seems to me the advantage is with the 9.
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I have two carry guns, a 9mm Shield and M&P 40C. I have not experienced the "snappy recoil" with the S&W 40 and I understand the great feel of the M&PC.
If the 40C feels good in hand, go for it, I see no downside.
If the 40C feels good in hand, go for it, I see no downside.
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I carry Federal 180 grain HST's...and I'm glad to see that they did very well in that test. They also shoot dead on in my pistol.
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A couple of things
If you're anywhere near Colorado Springs head over to Whistling Pines on Mark Scheffel and see if you can rent a Compact before you buy.
Whistling Pines Gun Club | Your Home on the Range
I'm (obviously) in Colorado and I have no problems with rust on my M&Ps
Like you said it's dry here.
On the 9 / 40 question I haven't heard anyone ask this but how does you wife do with .40? If she had to shoot the gun would the recoil be a problem for her? When I bought my Shield I chose 9 for just that reason.
On the Glock19 V. M&P C question.
Commonality of parts, accessories and ammunition is a big deal to me. Rather than buy a whole different system I would get another Glock 19 so I'm only stocking one type of ammunition, one type of magazines and one type of holster because it's cheaper in the long run. And if you decide on a full sized pistol later you can go with a Glock 17 and maintain commonality.
If you're anywhere near Colorado Springs head over to Whistling Pines on Mark Scheffel and see if you can rent a Compact before you buy.
Whistling Pines Gun Club | Your Home on the Range
I'm (obviously) in Colorado and I have no problems with rust on my M&Ps
Like you said it's dry here.
On the 9 / 40 question I haven't heard anyone ask this but how does you wife do with .40? If she had to shoot the gun would the recoil be a problem for her? When I bought my Shield I chose 9 for just that reason.
On the Glock19 V. M&P C question.
Commonality of parts, accessories and ammunition is a big deal to me. Rather than buy a whole different system I would get another Glock 19 so I'm only stocking one type of ammunition, one type of magazines and one type of holster because it's cheaper in the long run. And if you decide on a full sized pistol later you can go with a Glock 17 and maintain commonality.
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Rowlette
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That is not a bad suggestion but I believe it better to have different calibers just in case. I have... .40, 9mm, .357, .357 Sig, 45 APC.
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It is hard to argue with the concept of buying another of what you already like, but you asked which caliber
I am the fly in the ointment, I would buy the M&P compact in 357SIG.
While these are hard to find in 357SIG, for an urgent need, I would go 9MM as a secondary choice.
9MM performance has dramatically improved over the last decade or two.
It is hard to argue with the concept of buying another of what you already like, but you asked which caliber
I am the fly in the ointment, I would buy the M&P compact in 357SIG.
While these are hard to find in 357SIG, for an urgent need, I would go 9MM as a secondary choice.
9MM performance has dramatically improved over the last decade or two.
What is the just in case?
My wife and I own 3 9mm handguns and any time we can afford it we buy another 1000 rounds in bulk (cheaper).
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No, it can go both ways. You can either buy an after market conversion barrel or do a little work on the hood of a factory .40S&W barrel to make it fit. At least for the M&P, it's not hard to do.
Even so, I'd recommend buying the .40S&W and then getting a 9mm barrel and a couple of 9mm mags. It's a drop in solution. You'll lose a little accuracy because the 9mm barrel fits a little loosely, but at self-defense distances it's not enough to worry about. I've done this with my full size .40 and it works just fine.
OK, TankTop5, you came to a S&W forum so, you had to expect that the overwhelming suggestion would be for the M&P. It is a fine gun. Every bit as reliable and durable as the Glock. I have one and highly recommend it.
However, if you already shoot the G19 very well, it's folly to switch. These are not super expensive guns so, we're not breaking the bank here. Get another G19 for your carry gun. Then, take some time, find a place or person that has a M&P 9c you can shoot and try it. If you like it and shoot it well, get it and either keep the G19 as a back up or sell it.
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The posters telling you to get another G19 for commonality are looking at it backwards. You should sell the G19 and buy two M&P9c's. 
9 > 0.4
The improved accuracy, speed, capacity, and training cost of 9mm are a greater advantage than the tiny loss in wounding potential relative to the .40 making the 9mm the more efficient cartridge IMHO. This applies to your wife too, should she need to use your gun. When comparing the two calibers don't consider just two-handed shooting from a perfect stance. Take into account strong-hand only, weak-hand only, and unconventional positions and the possibility of needing to shoot while injured, sick, or otherwise below full capability.
I went with the standard pressure 147 HST. It's on Dr. Roberts' list and other tests confirm it still works well from the shorter barrels so there's no need for the extra recoil.
9 > 0.4
The improved accuracy, speed, capacity, and training cost of 9mm are a greater advantage than the tiny loss in wounding potential relative to the .40 making the 9mm the more efficient cartridge IMHO. This applies to your wife too, should she need to use your gun. When comparing the two calibers don't consider just two-handed shooting from a perfect stance. Take into account strong-hand only, weak-hand only, and unconventional positions and the possibility of needing to shoot while injured, sick, or otherwise below full capability.
I went with the standard pressure 147 HST. It's on Dr. Roberts' list and other tests confirm it still works well from the shorter barrels so there's no need for the extra recoil.
I've seen .40 to 9mm conversion barrels, but not 9mm to .40. Who offers them?
