M&P Pro 5in 9mm. Accuracy.

[John3200]

I recently got an M&P Pro 5in long slide in 9mm. This is the one with the fiberoptic front sight.

What kind of accuracy are you guys and gals getting with these? Mine seems to be very poor and it also shoots about 5in low at 25 yards.

The best I could do with Winchester white box and Remington UMC 115gr FMJ is 6in groups and those were centered 5in low. This is off a rest.

I called S&W to at least try to get a lower front sight to raise the POI and the nice lady said they only have the one height. So she offered to send me a mailing label to see if their gunsmiths could figure out the pistols issues.

I really like the feel of the gun, decent trigger if a bit spungy. Good sights.

Right now I can't hit a paper plate at 25 yards with the thing, I hope S&W can figure it out. I've had great luck with their customer service in the past.

 

[EvilBetty]

Have the same gun have been becoming a better shooter, but feel like the gun is more inaccurate.

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Short answer... call S&W.

 

[kyf]

No problems with mine. Puts a hole where I aim, which sometimes isn't where I want it but it shoots very well.

 

[1fly2ty]

First get rid of the winchester white box, I can't tell you how many times I heard complaints about it when I managed a LGS! A lot of the complaints were related to functioning, the other thing I would recommend is going to 124 gr loads I think that will cure your shooting low. I have the 9L with an apex dcaek kit and the 115's shot low but when I went to 124 the problem went away.

 

[cometpx4]

M&P Pro

I recently reacquired one. I put a few hundred rounds of speer 115gr TMJ thru it and its probably one of the top 3 most accurate guns i ever fired

 

[OKFC05]

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/245685-m-p-9-accuracy.html

 

[John3200]

I've fired many thousands of rounds of Winchester white box. I've never had an issue with it. It's dirtier then the inexpensive Remington or Federal but that's not a big deal. I'll try some 124s before I send the M&P off though.

 

[TX58]

M&P Pro

I just scored an M&P .9mm Pro with the four inch barrel. I traded a Green frame Glock 32 for it. I haven't shot it yet (will do so Saturday) but the trigger breaks like a glass rod at just over four pounds, and the re-set is the shortest I've ever felt! It SHOULD be a tac driver, but we'll see Saturday. I looked at the fiber optic ones, but like the night sight version better (just my eyes find it easier to line up the three dot night sights).

 

[John3200]

Well, over my lunch hour I tried some of my Hornady 124gr reloads and while accuracy was better, POI was still way too low. As many before me have shown, Hornady XTP bullets are some of the most accurate bullets available.

It looks like my M&P is getting a trip back to Smith and Wesson.

 

[EvilBetty]

I know some people have purchased a shorter front sight blade to compensate. I agree with you though, it should go back to S&W.

 

[1fly2ty]

John3200,
I re-read your original post and there was something I missed, you indicated you shot the gun from 25 yards! These guns and sights while they are not designed for elevation corrections truly are not for shooting at 25 yards. They are designed for shooting from 7-15 yards.
I don't know whether or not you can shoot at a closer distance at the range you go to, but if you can shoot your gun at that distance you will quickly see that it is probably dead on.
Good Luck

 

[EvilBetty]

John3200,
...you shot the gun from 25 yards! These guns and sights while they are not designed for elevation corrections truly are not for shooting at 25 yards. They are designed for shooting from 7-15 yards.
I don't know whether or not you can shoot at a closer distance at the range you go to, but if you can shoot your gun at that distance you will quickly see that it is probably dead on.
Good Luck

 

[jgreiner]

I recently got an M&P Pro 5in long slide in 9mm. This is the one with the fiberoptic front sight.

What kind of accuracy are you guys and gals getting with these? Mine seems to be very poor and it also shoots about 5in low at 25 yards.

The best I could do with Winchester white box and Remington UMC 115gr FMJ is 6in groups and those were centered 5in low. This is off a rest.

I called S&W to at least try to get a lower front sight to raise the POI and the nice lady said they only have the one height. So she offered to send me a mailing label to see if their gunsmiths could figure out the pistols issues.

I really like the feel of the gun, decent trigger if a bit spungy. Good sights.

Right now I can't hit a paper plate at 25 yards with the thing, I hope S&W can figure it out. I've had great luck with their customer service in the past.

First off, what ammo are you shooting? I find that I shoot much better with heavier rounds than I do with the 115 grain target rounds. 124 grain is DEAD ON for me.

Also, if you are right handed, and shooting low right, that is most likely related to your trigger pull. I had this issue, until I became used to the pro trigger in the MP.

Check your sights. Mine were offset too far, moved them more to center, helped accuracy immensely.

And don't be too hard on yourself at 25 yards. that is an EXTREMELY long shot for most situations with a handgun. Most folks practice at 7-10 yards.

When I go to the range, I shoot at 10 yards. My goal is to shoot out the entire 10 point circle in the center of the silhouette targets that I use. This means that sometimes I have to aim for the "hanging chad" piece that hasn't detached yet. The gun is accurate enough to do exactly that.

 

[jgreiner]

Well, over my lunch hour I tried some of my Hornady 124gr reloads and while accuracy was better, POI was still way too low. As many before me have shown, Hornady XTP bullets are some of the most accurate bullets available.

It looks like my M&P is getting a trip back to Smith and Wesson.

Try shooting at 7 yards. See what you think. If it is still far too low, you can change out the front site height, which will change your POI.

My MP is for self defense, it's my daily carry. So I want it dead on at 7-10 yards.

 

[EvilBetty]

With no other factors... if a 115-124 grain bullet fired from a 4.5-5" barrel, from a gun zeroed at 7yrds. The drop would be less than an inch at 25yrds.

If it was zeroed at POA the drop would be around 1.5 inches at 25 yards. We could get more exact but I'd need to know the MV of the particular round you are firing...

So I'm not sure how shooting at 7 instead of 25 yards (which the 5" gun is designed for) would help here.

Yes, most people practice defense shooting at 7-10 yards, but if he's shooting USPSA, IDPA or any other pistol discipline, 25 yards is not an uncommon distance at all. And is also the accepted practical distance for checking a pistols accuracy.

 

[1fly2ty]

Evil,
IDPA, USPSA, both design their stages so that the majority of the shooting is done at 7-15 yards and while they do mix in a few 25 yard shots, they are only a small percentage of the overall course! The reasoning behind this is statistical data from a number of sources indicate that the majority of confrotations takes place at distances from 21-30 feet. So thats in a nut shell why fixed sight are the way they are. Julie Goleb just demonstrated the exact scenario with the new M&P Shield and started at 7 yards and finsihed at 25 yards and yes ALL of her shots at 25 yards were low and she explained that in an IDPA match she would have to change her hold point to accomodate the added distance! During the winter I shoot at our indoor range which is 37 ft. with a M&P9L and with 115's it shots about 1.5" low, with the 124 its still an 3/4" low, but take that same pistol to the outdoor range at 7-10 yards and it is dead on! so you can espouse all the theroies but if you call S&W and send the pistol back and they test it at 7 yards and its fine what should he do with his gun next?

 

[OKFC05]

what should he do with his gun next?

Learn to shoot without breaking down, or if not doing that, get a new barrel or try different ammo. The gun is not designed to be shooting that low.
Eliminate human error for certain before changing hardware.

 

[EvilBetty]

I never said all targets are out that far, only that they exist on most stages and are considered well within a service pistols capabilities.

I never said a bullet wouldn't drop when shooting at targets of greater distance and that it does not need to held over or corrected for, what I was pointing out was that 5" is an extreme amount of drop at 25 yards, even if zeroed at POA.

Those theories are backed up by actual results of my own M&P 5" Pro's accuracy tests with the same sight system as the OP.

 

[growr]

I simply switched to 147 grain ammo and had the problem go away. Gun shoots exceptionally well...actually even better than 115/124's.
Might work for you as well.

Randy

 

[Arthury]

Many have found out that one needs to adjust the POI dead center at the target when using the 5" Pro. Note that this is different from the regular FS M&P where the POI is usually at 6 o'clock of the target; at least, that's what the S&W Testing Center used when they tested my pistol.

Try that and let us know.