M&P Shield 9mm or Kahr CW9 for carry
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dullh
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I have both. I also have the CM9. The CM9 beats both for sheer conceal ability. Sticking to the Shield/CW9 question, it's a wash...both are almost identical in size and weigh the same - in any carry position, both conceal just as well. Now, all of this applies to the Shield only if you're using the 7rd magazine - the 8rd magazine, to me, defeats the whole purpose to the point I sold my 8rd magazine and carry 7rd mags in the shield exclusively.
Each to his own - I carried both. Personally, for a "beat around" gun I choose the Kahr, simply because I don't want to test the limit of my Shields sweat tolerance and durability - I like it too much! The Kahr is cheaper, thus cheaper to replace.
The Kahr has a better trigger out of the box (by a lot) but...well...you decide!
Each to his own - I carried both. Personally, for a "beat around" gun I choose the Kahr, simply because I don't want to test the limit of my Shields sweat tolerance and durability - I like it too much! The Kahr is cheaper, thus cheaper to replace.
The Kahr has a better trigger out of the box (by a lot) but...well...you decide!
DocSunShine
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Kahr = trash, forget about it and stick with the shield.
I bought the Kahr C9 with night sights long before the Shield was made, and have carried and shot it a lot. The trigger and accuracy are superb. I was considering buying a Shield also and then the panic buying hit.
gkitch
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Shield.
The Khar, while some are reliable, has had MANY issues with quality control. The Shield is a much better gun. Made in the USA to boot. It is also an ideal balance between a hideout gun and a fistful of real weaponry. Perfect for daily carry.
The Khar, while some are reliable, has had MANY issues with quality control. The Shield is a much better gun. Made in the USA to boot. It is also an ideal balance between a hideout gun and a fistful of real weaponry. Perfect for daily carry.
modraker
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I carried the Kahr CW9 for a year until I got to shoot the Shield. I switched to the Shield as soon as I was able to obtain a holster for it. My accuracy with the Shield was just way better and mine's a 40SW.
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Just so you know, the Kahr guns are made in the same state as S&W.
modraker
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Massachusetts - Kahr Arms is owned by Justin Moon, son of Rev. Sun Myung Moon. Here's an article on this very interesting story - Money, Guns, and God
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Having owned both, I went with the Shield just because the quality was nicer. The shield feels better in the hand, more ergonomic, though the Kahr isnt that far off. Both are still thin and very easy to conceal. My biggest complaint with the Kahr, was field stripping it. Nowhere near as easy as the shield to field strip. Also the Kahr doenst have metal guide rods and after using it for a bit started seeing some plastic shavings. I heard this is normal to happen for the break in on the Kahr's, but I couldnt get past the plastic guide rails.
Shield feels right and feels good, no regrets buying it.
Hope this helps.
Note: I love Kahr triggers, and will probably own a Kahr, but it will be the steel frame versions, K9, MK9.
Shield feels right and feels good, no regrets buying it.
Hope this helps.
Note: I love Kahr triggers, and will probably own a Kahr, but it will be the steel frame versions, K9, MK9.
I was under the impression home base is MA but assembly operations in NY. Could be wrong though.
My vote on this one goes to the Kahr but the PM9. I have had 2 PM9's (wife has one) and I often carry the PM40. Takes some gettign use to with the 40 for sure as recoil is stout. Very accurate out to 15 yard line and just like instructed I ran 250 rounds through it before I carried it for SD. Had a few stovepipes during break in but haven't had any issues with either of the 3 PM models I've owned.
Shield is a great SD gun but larger. For me anyway, the Kahr PM is 16oz and fits inside a shirt pocket. That means I will have it on me even in summer. Shiled offers more rounds for sure but with a much heavier carry weight and bulk as well.
Try them out to see how they carry before you make a final determination.
gkitch
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Whoops. I stand corrected. Thank you.
Have both and like the Kahr better (CM9). Better trigger plus it conceals better is why I go with Kahr.
Trash? that is just silly, its a quality handgun even if you dont like it or have had problems yourself. All handguns have their issues depending who you talk to (Shield included) but neither to the point I'd not recommend one or the other, it's a matter of preference.
Trash? that is just silly, its a quality handgun even if you dont like it or have had problems yourself. All handguns have their issues depending who you talk to (Shield included) but neither to the point I'd not recommend one or the other, it's a matter of preference.
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Shield/Kahr 40
I`ve owned a P40(several) for lots of years. The reason there were several is because something(always) happened and they were replaced. Just received a brand new unit from Kahr in April. They are problematic but service is great. Bought a Shield 40 in March and although it was a little problematic(failures to ignite primer...3 trips to S&W, last trip replaced the slide and barrel) it appears to have now licked the problem. Don`t get me wrong, being a little 'problematic' is a Big P.I.A. particularly knowing you just bought a new gun and it fails to fire so to erase that "will it or won`t it" problem you have a large expenditure of ammo to make sure its right after a series of trips to S&W.But...in your comparison the Shield is shorter in the grip than a P/CW model even with a flat base mag in the Kahr...better for pocket carry. The Shield appears to be a little more accurate also and finally the Shield has a lifetime warranty vs Kahr with 5 years. I vote for the Shield after "much ado". John
I`ve owned a P40(several) for lots of years. The reason there were several is because something(always) happened and they were replaced. Just received a brand new unit from Kahr in April. They are problematic but service is great. Bought a Shield 40 in March and although it was a little problematic(failures to ignite primer...3 trips to S&W, last trip replaced the slide and barrel) it appears to have now licked the problem. Don`t get me wrong, being a little 'problematic' is a Big P.I.A. particularly knowing you just bought a new gun and it fails to fire so to erase that "will it or won`t it" problem you have a large expenditure of ammo to make sure its right after a series of trips to S&W.But...in your comparison the Shield is shorter in the grip than a P/CW model even with a flat base mag in the Kahr...better for pocket carry. The Shield appears to be a little more accurate also and finally the Shield has a lifetime warranty vs Kahr with 5 years. I vote for the Shield after "much ado". John
handlebar
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I have the Shield which is easy to conceal with the correct holster. I use HighNoon Bare Asset IWB. But do not discount the SIG P290RS. It is ultra concealable, easy to shoot and accurate. It is also a quality gun. I carry it in an Elite ballistic nylon holster. Depending on what I wear dictates what I carry. BTW, I had a Kahr PM9 and like the quality of the Shield over it. And, as has been stated, Kahr gives a 5 year warranty (and I have had problems with them honoring their warranty-long story, but they never did honor it) and S&W gives lifetime. Just my 2 cents.
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I have a Shield and the smaller PM9 from Kahr. Both are very well made. If you like DA triggers go with Kahr as it is the best in the market. The Shield has pretty much attained icon status as a great carry gun so if you like striker fired short stroke triggers with a side mounted safety S&W has it all for you.
If I had to sell one, my Shield or PM9, it's bye,bye Shield.
If I had to sell one, my Shield or PM9, it's bye,bye Shield.
Let me begin by being upfront that I am a huge fan of Kahrs. My CCW of choice is my PM9. Never yet had an issue past the break-in period and dead-on accurate to distances that make my head spin for such a tiny gun. The issue most frequently encountered with those considering a Kahr is whether they like the DAO trigger. This is a huge personal preference issue and obviously I love the Kahr triggers. Much more so than my M&P 40C that has had trigger work.
The differences in trigger aside, the 3 main advantages I see for the Shield are that as others have said it is much easier to field strip. Secondly, I believe the Shield will manage the recoil a bit better than a Kahr. Lastly, the lifetime warranty.
Accuracy matters to me and in my experience the Kahrs are tough to beat by any competitor accuracy-wise if you like their triggers. I have found the Kahrs to be extremely durable and reliable. I also never have to worry about the finish on them being compromised by the environment they are carried in.
The bottom line to me is that either way you can't go wrong and so many items of comparison are purely subjective and a matter of personal preference. When I hold a Kahr in my hand I feel I'm holding a quality firearm that is machined to very tight tolerances and will be more accurate than I will ever be. Plus, did I already mention I love the Kahr triggers?
Anyway, my choice would be the Kahr but I would never, ever turn my nose up at a Shield either.
The differences in trigger aside, the 3 main advantages I see for the Shield are that as others have said it is much easier to field strip. Secondly, I believe the Shield will manage the recoil a bit better than a Kahr. Lastly, the lifetime warranty.
Accuracy matters to me and in my experience the Kahrs are tough to beat by any competitor accuracy-wise if you like their triggers. I have found the Kahrs to be extremely durable and reliable. I also never have to worry about the finish on them being compromised by the environment they are carried in.
The bottom line to me is that either way you can't go wrong and so many items of comparison are purely subjective and a matter of personal preference. When I hold a Kahr in my hand I feel I'm holding a quality firearm that is machined to very tight tolerances and will be more accurate than I will ever be. Plus, did I already mention I love the Kahr triggers?
Anyway, my choice would be the Kahr but I would never, ever turn my nose up at a Shield either.
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^^Well said
rzola:
I owned the Kahr CM9 before purchasing a Shield 9mm.
I would suggest you checkout the kahrtalk forum before you decide especially the kahr tech link.
The tinkering some have posted on that forum including squeezing the sides of the magazine in a vise to ensure a proper fit was the final straw for me.
I ended up hot gluing the base plate of the Kahr magazine after it kept coming off at the range.
What a joke of a gun. Seriously, when you must resort to using the wife's hot glue gun you begin to wonder which a person should pack the Kahr or the glue gun?
Russ
