I love mine, much better than the standard to me and better than my G22's stock 5.5lb one.
M&P.... whats up with the trigger???
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I love mine, much better than the standard to me and better than my G22's stock 5.5lb one.
One should be familiar and comfortable with a variety of trigger systems, especially if one carries a gun for SD or LE. Too many people get stuck on one platform or a specific trigger style / weight, etc., etc.
Don't confuse the Apex trigger kits of the Apex RAM. The latter creates a major audible click and distinct feel to reset. Makes the Glock reset feel weak.
The M&P is more like the XD. Neither the M&P nor the XD is anything like a Glock.
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Thank God!!
I find it interesting that an inanimate object like a Glock pistol causes this type of reaction from a (presumably) sane and intelligent person. Often, when Glock is brought up in a thread about pistols, logic gives way to emotion. It's a rare thread where the merits of the different designs can be discussed without someone making some sort of derogatory remark about them or declaring that they'll never own one, etc. So you can thank God that that M&Ps and XDs are nothing like Glocks and someone else can thank Gaston Glock that it's not like the others but the bottom line is that it's a gun that works quite well for it's intended purpose.
Don't like the Glock trigger? No problem. Twentyfive bucks in parts and a small punch & you can change it in 5 minutes. The parts are plug and play, you can have a light pull for matches and a heavier pull pull for carry all in the same gun. No hammer required.
You'll spend more than twice that tweaking a M&P trigger and at least a hundred bucks on an XD. Your money, your choice.
Add this to your last post and it looks like you don't have alot of positive input to this thread from the outset.. you are obviously into Glock, since you appear to get a bit anxious when anyone mentions them in the same sentence with another manufacturer.. that's ok, I'll just roll with the punches, I understand where you are coming from. Apparently you don't feel the same about where I'm coming from. This is a S&W forum, I would think most here are pro S&W. I tend to look for positive info to achieve my goal of a better gun. I'm not here looking to shoot holes in their guns. Like any other gun out there, they are not perfect, we can share our positive outlook to each other and maybe, just maybe have a better gun when we are done.. comparing the M&P in anyway with a Glock is not blastphemy... heck, it's a compliment, since Glock was one of the standards to measure these guns by. I've only shot a Glock once, it was ok, I just happen to love my M&P's, thats why I belong to S&W related forums. I have purchased way too many guns by S&W this past year, they are my "team" of choice.
I recently visited one of my local gun stores looking for a cheap Hi-point carbine I read some really good reviews about. Now I guess it is a really inexpensive carbine, MADE IN AMERICA, I like that... I just want to have some plinking fun.. well, when I asked one of the guys about it, he answered with a really nasty tone, "that piece a junk, we don't carry that junk here".. ok, I had a real hard time finding a negative review of this gun last week, so I asked him if he ever shot one, he said no, he wouldn't waste his money.. ok, c ya... don't think I'll rush into that store much anymore... I've purchase a few guns there the last 6 months. So off to another store, they had one, I handled it, looked it over real good and decide... nice gun for the money.. bought it...
My point is, we don't all have the same taste, no need to snap my carrot for my likes, I won't snap yours...
Have a Happy and Healthy New Year,
I wan't aware of any punches thrown and no, you have no clue where I'm coming from. I own 3 M&Ps, 1 XD, and 2 Glocks. Everything I've said comes from personal experience with these guns. The anxiety you're refering to is a figment of your imagination. I don't know where you got that from.
Maybe most but not all. The original poster's query was "M&P.... whats up with the trigger???" Remember that? Do you feel threatened by different opinions? No? Then allow me the privilege of giving mine.
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For the record, I'm a member of several manufacturer and platform specific firearms forums.
I didn't shoot holes in anyone's gun other than my own. I've told you how you can make the M&P trigger better with the Apex Duty kit and R.A.M. & said I'd probably keep my M&Ps. Isn't that positive info?
Careful, you're the one who brought up The Almighty.
This is typical. You really should spend some time with a Glock to learn the trigger
The term "Fanboy" comes to mind when I read that.
I'm glad that you're happy with your Hi-Point but I feel obliged to remind you that this is a S&W forum.
My point is, we don't all have the same taste, no need to snap my carrot for my likes, I won't snap yours...
No doubt but I'm not clear on the produce reference.
Happy New Year to you too.
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agksimon
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I've shot a Hi-Point 9mm carbine and they are really quite accurate, but they're a gun you don't want to take apart to clean, as it's a long, involved process and may not go back together easily.
This is the same stuff I hear at the SKS Boards when someone with an M-16/AR tells them their favorite little "commie" rifle is junk.
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It's like this...when you claim perfection you have two choices; either you really develop the gun into perfection (which Glock didn't do) or you just simply get the fanboys to refuse to acknowledge that it isn't perfect. When people point out flaws you simply put you fingers in your ears, close your eyes, shake your head back and forth and say "la la la la la la la la". It's an ignorance is bliss sort of thing.
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Thanks guys for the Hi-point responses. Appreciate it. I think I read one review where the owner had thousands of rounds and has yet to clean it.. I guess that's the fun of owning guns. For me, taking them apart, seeing how they work, cleaning, modifying and generally tinkering.. Been working up a nice work bench and organizing my garage, "mancave" Been purchasing gun tools, just picked up a nice vice, have my rifle vise, a bunch of AR tools... got the HD up on the wall.. if I wasn't doing this, I'd be bolting down the vise, running the cable for the tv and a few other things.. actually, think I'll bring the laptop out on the bench and tinker.. half time for all the fottball games..
Oh ya, won a few bucks on the Blackjack table New Years eve... going down to pick up the Hi-point tomorrow, but not enough to pick-up the M&P40c I put a couple bucks on last week, yet.. it was on a wicked sale at S&W retail store.. $440.00.. before tax..
Fanboy!!
I guess that's the fun of owning guns. For me, taking them apart, seeing how they work, cleaning, modifying and generally tinkering.. Been working up a nice work bench and organizing my garage, "mancave" Been purchasing gun tools, just picked up a nice vice, have my rifle vise, a bunch of AR tools... got the HD up on the wall.. if I wasn't doing this, I'd be bolting down the vise, running the cable for the tv and a few other things.. actually, think I'll bring the laptop out on the bench and tinker.. half time for all the fottball games.. Oh ya, won a few bucks on the Blackjack table New Years eve... going down to pick up the Hi-point tomorrow, but not enough to pick-up the M&P40c I put a couple bucks on last week, yet.. it was on a wicked sale at S&W retail store.. $440.00.. before tax..
Fanboy!!
sgtvilla
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Can we get a range report on that hi point? that way we can tell you how much it sucks nah, but really, I've heard good things about it. seems like a good carbine for the money.
nah, but really, I've heard good things about it. seems like a good carbine for the money.
Can we get a range report on that hi point? that way we can tell you how much it sucks
I'll get ya one soon, I can actually shoot it at the indoor range at Smith&Wesson Retail store..
On a side note.... new vise installed on the work bench.. yes!! What next... I really want to figure how how I'm gonna run the cable tv cable..
Folks,
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chad
Lets review some of the forum rules:
1. We ask that you conduct yourselves as ladies and gentlemen. Civil Discourse and Courteous Behavior shall be the norm.
2. Remember- opinions will differ. Get over it. State your opinion calmly, and allow others to state theirs. Discussion will be fine, but there is no need to take a thread into a verbal fistfight or shouting match.
3. Do NOT descend into personal attacks on a member.
Naiveté, or viewpoints different from yours are no reason to call a member an idiot or moron.
If a poster is obnoxious, report him and ignore him.
Do not feed trolls.
NO LYNCHINGS or MUGGINGS.
Learn to use the "IGNORE" feature for posters that ANNOY you. In your User CP, under Settings & Options, click Edit Ignore List.
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chad
Ok.. I picked up that Hi-point 9mm carbine today... I think maybe I will start a new thread, as it reeally doesn't belong here.. No clue where to post it, but keep an eye out if interested.. All I can say.. it was a blast!!!
Well I looked, don't see anywhere here that a gun post about something other than a S&W would be appropriate....
Well I looked, don't see anywhere here that a gun post about something other than a S&W would be appropriate....
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leejack
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chad, I applaud you sir for pointing out the rules.
This thread is however, is nothing compared to the insults and bashing that goes on in the sigma forum. It goes unchecked over there.
If you say something nice about the sigma, the KIA driving cowboys come out of the woodwork with their insults.
I have never seen a mod jump in and put a stop to it in that particular forum.
Something that warrants attention in my view.
This thread is however, is nothing compared to the insults and bashing that goes on in the sigma forum. It goes unchecked over there.
If you say something nice about the sigma, the KIA driving cowboys come out of the woodwork with their insults.
I have never seen a mod jump in and put a stop to it in that particular forum.
Something that warrants attention in my view.
I Have the M&P 40 and I love the trigger and think it is much better than the Glock in every way. I am sure others will disagree and thats fine just my opinion. I shot both glock and M&P fine...the M&P just felt better in my hand and I had no issues with trigger reset. It may be different than the glock but...when you shoot it some, for me it was a non-issue. If you were a glock only guy for years then it may take longer to adjust. If you were a M&P guy for years and then go shoot glocks it would probably take time to adjust to them too. Doing the dealer dance with one will only tell you so much. Get some real trigger time before you make your decision.
Shooting Padre
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This is going to sound really funny, but I have a BB gun duplicating the M&P, and I really like the feel of the thing. Reviews said it was exactly the same size as the real gun. Of course the weight is way lighter. Now, to the point. I carry a third gen. 3913LS that I came across. It really has a soul and I absolutely love it, but would like to know if anyone has had the opportunity to shoot both and their comparison of each. No place to rent an M&P and I certainly can't afford both. When asked what I carry I tell everyone it's a 9mm Notaglock. I have nothing against Glocks but I like to have fun. Thanks all.
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justsumstuff
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I own 3 S&W handguns. 3953tsw & M&P 9compact. My understanding is that the 3913 & 3953 are similar. I like both of mine. I shot the 9c, before I purchased it, not the 3953tsw. Now I've shot both. I love both, but for some reason I am more accurate with the 3953tsw.
I am a novice, so I have no idea why. Any and all suggestions for improvement welcome!? Trying to learn. This forum has really helped me think.
I like the trigger pull on the 3953tsw better. Seems smoother, or maybe more consistent? Maybe that's why I'm more accurate? Could it be the split trigger on the 9c? I wondering about the trigger pulls after reading this forum. Never hear of a "reset" on the trigger. More knowledge!
I like both handguns because both fit my hands. I do not own double stack anything. I have no callouses, small, weak hands, & lack upper body strength. The only Glock that I've held, several years ago, were plastic grips & rough in my hands. I liked the weight, but at that time the dealer advised me there was no option to install rubber grips. I have rubber grips on the wheelgun (snubbie) & TSW.
My other half likes Sigs. I shot them once. I can't hold on to them when I'm shooting: gun grip & my grip are not compatible. My other half enjoys my 9c, but not the TSW. We agree, he has his guns, I have mine.
I enjoy learning from all you guys! Any suggestion to improve my accuracy? Thanks in advance.
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