M&P9"L" Pro Series CORE vs. M&P9 Pro Series CORE? Different Look On Slide Same Gun?

The differences would be the barrel which is now a 1:10 twist, the newer trigger transfer bar, and possibly the new slide lock. (mine is 6/13 and doesn't have the slide lock, but does have the new trigger bar and did have the newer barrel).

Hey Bkreutz ... how do like that Deltapoint? I'm thinking if I don;t cheap out and get a PA or Fastfire III I may step and go DeltaPoint2 ... but that about my max money I will spend on and optic.

Curious how it's working for you and if you have tried others?
 
Hey Bkreutz ... how do like that Deltapoint? I'm thinking if I don;t cheap out and get a PA or Fastfire III I may step and go DeltaPoint2 ... but that about my max money I will spend on and optic.

Curious how it's working for you and if you have tried others?

I've used a C-more and think it's equal to the Deltapoint. I have 6 months and over 20K rounds through it. Everybody makes a big deal out of the Deltapoint II but once I got the dot zeroed, it hasn't moved (I zeroed it, removed the sight and tightened the lock screws, then put it back on). I'm still on the original battery even though I have 2 spares in my range bag. The battery can be changed in less than a minute. So the "improvements" on the II are (IMO) made for consumers perceived needs rather than a real issue. The reason I mention this is that since the II is now out, the remaining stock of I's (is that a word?) could see prices dropping. Here's where I got mine, compare this price to what you have to pay for a DII Leu Delta Point 7.5 Moa Reflex
 
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Thanks for the info.

I am tossing around trying out the Burris FastFire II

It sits a TINY bit higher (nothing major at all it seems" and doesn;t co-witness perfect with the irons but that means nothing to me really .. I guess having that option is good but you can still see them from what I have been told if ever needed, just not in the filed of view as much is all.

Not sure if the DP or other are worth the extra $150+ dollars over the Burris when everyone who has used it seems to like it and it works fine for a little over $200 bucks.

I got some time to decide but really it's gonna be between going with the FastFire II or saving for the DeltaPoint II.
 
Once shows the slide saying M&P9 Pro Series (in fancy write cursive writing) CORE ( Do Know The L is for Long Slide) .............

And another that says M&P9 (no "L") Pro Series (stamped in slide) CORE.

I am assuming the first is the older version and look that says L with the cursive Pro Series?

Is there Any difference between these two other then how it looks? Internals, Barrel, trigger, etc. etc.???

The CORE is a competition model (Core is an acronym for Competition Optics Ready Equipment). The slide is set up to receive just that, competition optics.

The Pro Series (I have one in .40 S&W) has a different trigger than the standard M&P's and I believe a different rifling in the barrel. That being said, mine still benefited from an Apex trigger and sear block upgrade. Sweet shooting handgun it is! :D
 
Why the 7.5 MOA ? Don't know anything about these sights. I'll be picking up my 5" CORE on Tuesday.
 
Why the 7.5 MOA ? Don't know anything about these sights. I'll be picking up my 5" CORE on Tuesday.

7 MOA??? I think you may be referring to the DP "Delta" triangle red-dot ... that is a larger MOA due to it's size and not being a Dot but being a triangle.
The Red"Dot" is a 3.0 MOA and that is very standard for a good small MOA on a quality dot .... the Burris FastFire III runs at a 3.0 MOA as well ... anything lower is to tiny from what I have seen ... even anything up to 5 MOA is good really (but I'm speaking for AR platform so maybe not so much for handguns) but I think about 3 is the sweet spot for handguns.

Most things I have read say to pass on the triangle Delta version of the DP and get the dot ... myself anything other then a dot is kinda pointless I think, but that's just me.

I am really down to deciding only on 2 optics ... the Burris FastFire III vs. the DeltaPoint 2 .... the price difference is what gets to me (150 odd dollars more) ... almost 400 bucks is just plain crazy to me for a basic red-dot, but the FFIII price on Amazon of $228 is SO much easier to swallow and really the only difference I can decipher is the slight slight almost nothing height over the DP is all ... everything else seems pretty even ... so not sure the DP is worth the added quite larger price point.

Anyway that of course is my dilemma at this point but I have time to make my decision.


FYI: Couple threads talking about optics right now ....
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...ot-all-mounts-cross-slot-mount-m-p9-core.html
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...-m-p-pro-core-9mm-w-burrris-fastfire-iii.html
 
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A "Red Dot" is a loosely used term to describe a reflex optic sight (easier to say too). The indicator can be a dot or a triangle (or something else) but they typically are both called "dots". The MOA indicates the size of the indicator in "minutes of angle", a MOA is 1" at 100 yards. The smaller indicator is typically more precise due to it's smaller size on the target, this is good for distant small targets where you have a lot of time for each shot, but when you get close in and have to move from target to target quickly, the small dot is slower to "pick up" for the next shot. I use the larger dot (or triangle on the DP) as do most of the USPSA, 3 gun, and Steel Challenge Open pistol shooters. If you're going to standing at a range shooting targets in your lane, then the smaller indicator is probably better, but if you're going to be shooting action pistol, outdoors, at multiple targets while on the move, the larger indicator is (IMO) it faster. (and easier to see in the sun).
 
That's kind of what I figured. Just wanted some clarification on why you used the larger (triangle). I won't be doing any "fast shooting" so would probably get the smaller 3 MOA for range use. Actually I'm going to wait a while and just get familiar with the gun. I've been in the decision making process for a couple of months. First looked at the 9L and was going to buy that. Then thought might as well spend a bit more money and get the pro. Thought even further and decided for about $30-$40 more might as well get the core. At least then at some point in time I could install the optic sight without any problems. Ordered the 9mm PRO CRO from Buds. Good price but the wait has been a bit frustrating. Took them six days to ship it, then UPS had a delayed truck so it got delayed over a weekend. When finally delivered my FFL had stepped away from his house. Another day missed. Then I filled out the 4473 for the background check and the response was "delayed". That was last Wed. Either they call back & OK it or wait three business days before I can pick it up, which would be tomorrow. I really don't understand why they say delayed. Bought a M&P22 last October, FFL called in the background check. Delayed. Waited three business days & picked it up. In Feb I bought a 1911. FFL called in the background check. Delayed. That time they gave the OK the next day. Now on this one am waiting the three business days again. Geez, I don't have a common name and never been charged with anything in my entire life. All I want to do is some target shooting. :(
 
First looked at the 9L and was going to buy that. Then thought might as well spend a bit more money and get the pro. Thought even further and decided for about $30-$40 more might as well get the core. At least then at some point in time I could install the optic sight without any problems.

LOL LOL LOL :)

Glad to know I'm not the only one here that went through that hell

I started actually with the basic M&P9 FS, then thought I want the 5" so I looked into the L, then found out they didn't make that anymore so the Pro it was, THEN thought, dammit I know I'm gonna be mad when I wan to to try and optic, AND then next thing I knew I went from a $550 FS to a $705 CORE! :p

But for the $155 price hike I get a 5" Long Slide, Better sight radius, Upgraded internal parts for trigger etc. and barrel, Very nice textured back-straps, and of the the kicker a pre-milled slide for an optic if I choose ... and I have decided to try one. Plus is says PRO SERIES C.O.R.E on the side of slide ... Now How Cool Is That! :D

So very worth the 150 odd bucks IMHO

But it's funny how it started and then how it ended ... always more money of course but better gun with may more options!!!

Let us know when you get it and how you like it bro!
 
Got it yesterday. Cleaned it and took it to the range. Shoots well. I like it. Worth the wait.
 
Got it yesterday. Cleaned it and took it to the range. Shoots well. I like it. Worth the wait.

Awesome! Great to hear.

I pick mine up Monday ... just ordered reflex today.

Looking forward to shooting mine sometime soon as well.

Thanks for the positive update! :)
 
The Pro Series (I have one in .40 S&W) has a different trigger than the standard M&P's and I believe a different rifling in the barrel.

Can you elaborate on the differences in the trigger on the standard M&Ps vs. the Pro Series?

Same for the rifling on the barrel?
 
Just like Jerry in the videos above, the best handgun shooter alive on earth if you didn't already know, I DID NOT use any aftermarket trigger add-ons. Polished the stock trigger sear to a bit under 3.5 lb pull and it beats any stock, gunsmithed or aftermarket trigger in any poly semi I've ever owned including glock, walther, FN and HK. I can't imagine why anyone would replace such an amazing trigger. Both my MP Core 9s were made and tested in late November of 2013 and have all the newest current parts so I'm not sure if earlier models had worse triggers and ect. or not. I had invested much into my rifle optics this year so no rmr until next month and being I had a few glocks with the rmr in the past I know I have yet to see the full potential of my MP Cores but even with the stock raised sight these are so accurate, light and just overall the best performing poly IMO. The MP Core in 9mm is my new favorite and I'm so happy it's a S&W being I own tons of S&W revolvers. Sold all my glocks kept a few of the top tier polys like the HK P30 and my Walther PPQ but the MP Cores are my go to now.
My main issue to get across here was the trigger of the CORE series at least the ones made in November of 2013 or later need no aftermarket parts, only a simple sear polish. Save your cash for the optic.
 
This is just a kind of "For What it's Worth". I run Eotech optics on some of my long guns and I really like the 65 MOA circle with the 1 MOA dot; it is really easy to pick up. When I got my 5" C.O.R.E. 9L I started looking at optics for it and I watched shooters that were new to red dots on pistols. Until they developed some "muscle memory" for where to pick up the dot there was a phenomenon that I call "Bobble Heading" that set in as they moved their head and pistol trying to pick up the small dot. I thought that it was too bad no one had the Eotech Circle/dot set-up. Well they do Eotech makes a rather expensive pistol optic and so does JPoint make a Circle/Dot that is like the 65MOA/1MOA that Eotech uses. I just checked, apparently Eotech no longer makes its pistol red dot; I believe that it was a European re-badge anyways.

Long story short...it works so well on my C.O.R.E. I got one for my Canik TP9SFx. Both pistols shoot very well; maybe this Summer I'll figure out if I sell one or keep both.

Point of long story is that the JPoint Center/dot really eliminates most "Bobble Heading", holds zero just fine and is relatively inexpensive, it is also light weight and you can pick up the 1MOA dot VERY fast. Battery life is good and I haven't broken either one... yet! JP Rifles I picked up my first one for $219.00 on sale at DVOR, not available there at present ;-(

End of rant ;-)

Shef
 
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All looks good ... New slide look and test shot at S&W in January!

In jail for 10 days .... All should be good with this one I think.

So more your on your APEX trigger ... Easy install? Does it help with reset or did you install the RAM as well?

I know many say the Apex parts are like night and day so I'm thinking about just ordering and getting used to that instead of the stock trigger ... Thoughts?

Any more info you can provide on that would be great.

I did the whole Apex kit shown below. It is like night and day and of I can do it, anybody can do it.

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Guess I bought the "non-CORE" model last year.
 

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