M&P9 vs Beretta M9A1

[Arthury]

Does anyone know how many lbs is the default factory setting of the M&P9 trigger like?

I am looking for one with a thumb lock but they are not widely available. When they do show up, they're sold with a regular retail pricing. Looks like more LEO prefer the no-safety version.

 

[sheriff54]

"Long winded way of saying that I finally realized that if I ever need to use a pistol to defend myself or my family, I want an M&P in my hand."
this was a nuget of truth. I have lived with a browning high power for over thirty years... 1st time I picked up a m&p, it felt better than my high powers. If I were starting over, m&p all the way. will I get one now? not to sure I need one BUT may have one fall into my lap when you least expect it!!! good pointing gun. great feel. feel = subjective???

 

[sonny]

Maybe one of these days, I'll get a M&P9c. I have had 12 Glocks, but no Smiths other than revolvers. I don't like the idea of having to spend a lot of money for the Apex. I can get 4.5# Glock connectors for $20 and polish them and I have a nice trigger.
Sonny

 

[mkygod]

I'm a new shooter and i've shot the M&p9c and 92fs, and I shot better on the 92fs but i credit that mainly to the less felt recoil on the Beretta (due to weight) and the fact that it was fullsize. Slide was noticeably easier to rack on the 92fs as well. Also the M&p9c was a Mass. version w/ the 10lb trigger, so i guess that didn't help my accuracy.

I own the M&p9c and thinking of a Beretta in the future as well. I've always wanted all metal gun and the Beretta is at the top of the list (and the 1911 as well).

 

[OKFC05]

I'm a new shooter and i've shot the M&p9c and 92fs, and I shot better on the 92fs but i credit that mainly to the less felt recoil on the Beretta (due to weight) and the fact that it was fullsize. Slide was noticeably easier to rack on the 92fs as well. Also the M&p9c was a Mass. version w/ the 10lb trigger, so i guess that didn't help my accuracy.

I own the M&p9c and thinking of a Beretta in the future as well. I've always wanted all metal gun and the Beretta is at the top of the list (and the 1911 as well).

Try an M&P 9 Pro 5" with 4# trigger compared to the M9 and then come back with a report.
Several of the active officers on the nearby airbase (I'm retired now) are also qualified on the M9, and own 1911's and M&P 9 Pros. We can all shoot the 9 Pros better than our expensive 1911s, and way faster than the M9.
You don't see many Berettas in competition for long before the owner buys a different gun.

 

[Arthury]

update

Well, first, allow me to thank all of you for your unselfish sharing of information; especially, your experiences. I truly enjoyed reading this thread and listening to how you responsed to my original question.

I have since applied for my CPL, received it and drove down to Quantico Tactical and bought my M&P9. The folks there are great to work with and I highly recommend them.

The M&P9 is a beautiful machine, it functions much sleeker than my .38 sp and 357 Mag revolvers.

The only thing I do not like about it is the magazine. Loading the first 2-3 rounds was difficult but OK. Beyond the first few rounds, the spring gets more and more wound so, it takes a lot more pushing and shoving. It stresses me a bit because I am afraid that a missed shove can accidentally whack the primer and discharge the round. The last thing I want to see is a cartoon character discharging a round in his home while loading up the magazine.

A few images ...

 

[aterry33]

Get a Glock 17 But seriously, most of this is a preference issue. I prefer Glocks (and prefer the SIG in a DA/SA) but the M&P and M9 are both good guns.

One thing I would note is that from all the conversations I've had with military folks, the majority of them were not particularly fond of the M9. It is a 1970s design and is big and heavy for a 9MM. I've also heard a lot of complaints about breakage.

The Charlotte police department here issues the M&P 40. While some officers I shoot with would prefer a Glock, SIG, etc., I haven't heard anyone say they'd prefer an M9. The M&P is not my favorite but it is a good gun.

 

[Ken NC]

I have the M&P9c and the Beretta 92fs. So far the M&P9c is more accurate for me than the 92fs! May try hogue grips on the 92fs, they get good reviews.

 

[Meeko]

The magazines will become easy to load after a little use. They are new and tend to be tight.

 

[iujeffcpa]

I was a Combat Arms Maintenance and Training (CATM) in the USAF. We instructed on and repaired all USAF small arms. For what it's worth and what I have seen I feel the M9 will break long before the M&P will. The part I saw break most often on the Beretta was the locking block. I have seen several dozen break.

I have a M&P and they are a much better firearm than the Beretta.

The 1st Generation Beretta locking blocks were only lasting up to 20K+ rounds and Beretta has improved these locking blocks since to last 35K+ rounds.

I have a Beretta M9 and 92FS. I have competition shot with the 92FS without any FTF/FTE or locking block breaking. The Beretta was not as easy (mostly due to: slide safety/decocker and DA/SA) to competition shoot as the M&P9 that I now use. I like the Beretta M9/92FS and will always have one or more. The Beretta M9/92 is my favorite fullsized auto.

I used my M&P9 in 2010 competition shooting and put 2K rounds through this without issue. I did not clean this gun the whole year and shot the heck out of it without any failures.

Sounds like you made a great choice but you should always have a "want" for a Beretta M9/92 in your inventory...

 

[Arthury]

The Beretta 92F and the Browning 1911 are always on my want-list. One of these days ... they will be in my inventory.

 

[EPWrangler]

I have owned both the 92,sold it, a glock19, sold it and a bunch of others. Now I am shooting a M&P9 fs and 9c. I plan to stick withthese for quite a while. I shoot better with the for sd. I read the comment about how natural they point and shootin off the front site or up close no site and I agree. I love my 1911s but now carry a M&P. hard to beat stainless steel in a hot sweaty climate.

 

[Bicky Robby]

The Barreta is a fine pistol. So is the M&P. In my experience, the Barreta is a dream to shoot. I find it to be very accurate. I have found the 92's and 96's (40 cal version) do require 1911 type mantenance.
The trigger pull on the Barreta in the single action mode is crisp. Have shot a few 96's which were DA only. These were former police guns and I understand why those dept's traded them. The pull is very, very long and probably pulled at 8-9 lbs.

I have found the M&P triggers to be on the mushy side, require less mantenance and are very reliable. The weight of the M&P is also a plus over the 92. The adjustable grips are a plus for the M&P also.

All things considered, I would probably lean toward the Smith mainly because of the grip fit. My 92 is now an occassional range gun and nothing more,but I would not trade it for anything.

 

[Meeko]

The Barreta is a fine pistol. So is the M&P. In my experience, the Barreta is a dream to shoot. I find it to be very accurate. I have found the 92's and 96's (40 cal version) do require 1911 type mantenance.
The trigger pull on the Barreta in the single action mode is crisp. Have shot a few 96's which were DA only. These were former police guns and I understand why those dept's traded them. The pull is very, very long and probably pulled at 8-9 lbs.

I have found the M&P triggers to be on the mushy side, require less mantenance and are very reliable. The weight of the M&P is also a plus over the 92. The adjustable grips are a plus for the M&P also.

All things considered, I would probably lean toward the Smith mainly because of the grip fit. My 92 is now an occassional range gun and nothing more,but I would not trade it for anything.

My agency uses Beretta M 92 DAO vertecs and the pulls is more in the 12-15 lbs range. You definatly have to revert tro the old revolver days of "staging" the trigger

 

[4506517]

First, I am NOT a fan of 9 mm. That said, I am a fan of the Beretta design. I own a 96, a 96 Vertec, and a 96G Vertec. I am surprised everyone that loves the Beretta has not mentioned the Vertec. It is night and day difference. I love both of mine. If you havenet handled one, I would suggest you do. The reduced grip circumference is immediately noticeable. Same magazines and same manual of arms (except for the G model as it is decock only).

That said, I make no bones about my dislike for the M&P design. I carry one daily (a full size 45) and quite frankly, I don't trust it. Im on my second one and some deputies have had their duty weapon replaced 4 and five times. Without turning this into a bash thread, let me just say I prefer the Beretta design.

 

[Bicky Robby]

My agency uses Beretta M 92 DAO vertecs and the pulls is more in the 12-15 lbs range. You definatly have to revert tro the old revolver days of "staging" the trigger

Thanks for the info.I knnew they were stiff. I have never been a very good revolver shooter (even though my first gun purchase was a Dan Wesson .357 back in late 70's). ALL of my pistol time had been in 1911's up until a few years ago and that is how I measure all pistols to this day.

 

[JarE-3]

With a "D" spring and some polishing, that DA trigger will lighten up to about 8lbs and the SA to about 4 or 5. It will also smooth out nicely if you know what to polish. I have mine smooth as glass and nice lightened trigger pull, and extremely reliable. So nice in fact that since I've discovered all of these custom kydex holsters, it has become my off duty EDC.

 

[Tocoldice]

I have both and I love both, The Beretta is Ultra reliable I have around 2000 rounds through mine NOT 1 malfunction, also super smooth action. The M&P is lighter with better sights. But I would go with the Beretta

 

[JarE-3]

While I will never steer anyone away from a Beretta, I will say to try them both. I've been a Beretta shooter since 1998 and I love the platform. That said, there are better and there are those that will fit you better.

On an aside, a better comparison might be the M&P 9 vs the Beretta 92A1. The 92A1 is the newest incarnation of the 90 series, it has a full Picatinny Rail, recoil buffer, and removable front and rear sights. It was a toss up between that and the M&P I ordered.

 

[Rangel]

Most of the Army guys that live around me don't care particularily for their issued Berettas, especially with the fixed sights. They don't think its a terrible pistol, just that there are better ones that don't cost more. Most aren't happy with 9mm either. This is a somewhat dated link, but the source is still pretty good, IMO.

http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_ArmyPistol.html