M&P9c slide release issue

I am not in law enforcement and have never been in the military. But, I practice tactical reloads. What is written above it what I believe in, in a SHTF situation. I don't think (I mean I pray) that I will ever be in a situation were I will need to use this training or use my pistol at all. But, it's good to have. As for the catch/release/squirrel lever, koolaid be damned, I believe it's a slide catch. It can be used as a release, if you're strong enough and like the hassle. There is no problem with slingshotting the slide into battery. If you do run dry, in the heat of stress, remember that fine motor skills suffer. Having owned the Beretta Nano before this pistol (Shield 9), I am very familiar with slingshotting the slide.
 
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I too have a stiff squirrel catch on my 9c, but to be honest, I really don't know which method I use to close the slide after a reload. I have strong hands and I can use the lever as a release, but it is tough. I also just rack the slide (I think), but then again while shooting, my concentration is on the target and the only thing I am consciously aware of (as far as the reload goes) is if my weapon is in battery and ready, or if it is not. I guess that having shot for over 35 years, I just got so used to "just doing," that I forgot WHAT I was doing :) I guess that my opinion in the matter, is that it is not a squirrel lever issue, it is a training issue.
 
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If you are in a real Life and death situation and needed to change mags, the ability to use the Slide Stop/Release as soon as you insert the new mag with the other hand would be faster. That is how I was taught in the NRA PPOTH course just recently.

There are a lot of changes that take place in your body when under the stress of a life and death situation. Time seems to slow down, you get tunnel vision, and you loose your fine motor skills.

I've always heard that trying to place your finger on a slide lock lever is a fine motor skill that may not be there when you need it. Gripping the slide with all four fingers and a thumb is more of a course motor skill.

Regarding how hard one has to press down on an M&P slide lock lever, I have owned two full size M&P .40's and a compact .40. I could press the slide lock lever on all three to release the slide, but grip the rear of the slide and slingshot it into battery. I have a friend with a full size M&P 9mm and he can't press the slide lock lever to release the slide.

Bill
 
Several firearms trainers advocate the closed-slide speed reload. (Dropping a mag and loading when the mag is mostly depleted but rounds are still in the gun). I think it is a valid technique in specific circumstances but as with any technique it has its drawbacks. In the middle of a shooting, when the suspect and good guy are moving, looking for cover, trying to react to each others actions, dealing with the fear of potential death, etc., trying to count rounds becomes very difficult. It is well documented that many individuals involved in shootings have no idea how many rounds they fired...Some believe they fired a certain amount but it was actually many more. I recently ran an solid performing student through our shoot house. He engaged each target in the close confines of the house with five rounds, making good, solid hits. After the drill I commented how I was impressed by his decision to engage with multiple rounds rather than the old-school double-tap/assess. He said he trained and planned to shoot them each three times because two might not be enough. I said "so you shot them each three times?" He said "Yes". I said "So you didn't realize you shot each target five times?" He said he thought he shot each one three times. He admitted part of the reason he went empty when he didn't want to was because he didn't think he had fired as many rounds as he did.

Any form of "offensive reload" such as a tactical reload, reload with retention, slide-forward speed reload, etc., are almost never conducted in the middle of a gunfight... They are conducted after the shooting, or during a lull in the gunfight IF the person has significant training. The vast majority of the time the firearm will be shot until the threat has been neutralized or the weapon is out of ammunition. This has been supported by force-on-force training as well as documented shootings. If one never trains for their gun running out of ammunition they are failing to train for a very likely result of a real shooting incident...Especially if they are using a lower-capacity handgun.

The fine-motor skill issue is true, but one must remember that pulling a trigger is also a fine motor skill. Landing an airliner in the Hudson river is pretty stressful and requires all sorts of fine motor skill. This is why training is so important. One must train such that the technique-based response in a stressful situation is familiar and can be accomplished without advanced thought. Hitting the slide release is simply not that difficult when one thinks of all the things one must do in a gun fight. My department has a significant number of shootings to support these contentions.

We put sights on our guns knowing that under stress pupils dilate and close-range vision, and thus front-sight focus, becomes difficult. We overcome this problem through training and stress inoculation.

There is nothing wrong with the overhand/powerstroke loading method. It is one of the options we currently teach. In fact, I prefer the option for most shooters. I have used the slide release so many times it is automatic. I have to "think" to use the overhand method.

I just think it's funny that people buy into the idea that a manufacturer can put a device on a firearm that has been used for the same purpose for a hundred years, call it something else, and people just go along with the idea it isn't the same thing it was before.

A break pedal will apply the breaks no matter what it is called. A trigger will fire the gun no matter what it is called. If they put a lever on the gun with serrations on top to assist with downward motion and if that downward motion releases the slide it is, by definition, a slide release... No matter what it is called.
 
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The simple answer is: use two fingers to do it a couple of times, then it becomes easier. I had to use two fingers on my 40c at first, but once the edge is smoothed out, it becomes easier. And NO, this doesn't hinder the ability of the slide stop no matter how much people here will tell you.
 
I'm of the school that uses the slide "lock button" to release the slide, just the way I learned and have been doing it a long time. I release the slide with my off hand when starting a combat course but use the release during the stage. When I first got my FS9, the button was a little stiff but loosened up quickly with use. When I got a 9c, I couldn't release the slide with two fingers pushing as hard as I could:eek:, looking at the release I could see a little "hook" on the lock point, I knocked it off with a stone and it works normally now. Recently I got a 9 Pro Core and the release felt like it had a thousand rounds through it. Conclusion... they're all different but after use (or filing) they smooth out.
 
To add if you slam home a new magazine when the slide is locked back it puts the round into battery,releasing slide.
 
Well, I hope you are pressing down and not in on the slide lock lever. It is made to manually lock the slide back when you don't have an empty magazine in the gun. To close the slide you are supposed to pull the slide back, then release. You are not supposed to use the slide lock lever as a slide release lever.

How do I know? After 2 years and over 600 "slide release" actions, (6000+ rounds) mine broke off in the middle of a session. Fortunately, the other side still worked so I could keep shooting. After getting a warranty shipping label from S&W and 3.5 weeks, I got my baby back with a new slide lock lever installed. I would have rather replaced it myself but they required me to send it in. I later found out that the part was only $11, so you might want to have an extra in your shtf kit.

I'm used to the single handed "slide release" method of closing the slide after inserting a fresh mag, but I'll be changing my routine in the future.
 
I have over 30,000 rounds out of one M&P, between 8,000 - 10,000 rounds out of another, and probably around 3,000 through a third (newest revision). I'm certified by S&W as an M&P armorer and have taught hundreds of recruits on the M&P and nearly thousands of deputies who have either been issued or personally purchased an M&P. No broken slide stop/slide-release/squirrel buttons. We have had some on our test M&P45s, and I am aware it has happened on occasion on the 9mm versions, but on all our high-round count guns, it hasn't happened, so I'm going to contend it's either based on the type of strain put on the release by certain shooting styles, or it's a flaw in the metallurgy or manufacturing of a certain percentage of parts.

My partner, who had over 60,000 rounds through one of our range M&Ps with no change in recoil spring split a barrel, then when sent back to S&W they found the frame had been literally destroyed by the slide smashing against the frame with the worn spring. In all that shooting, using the slide stop/slide lock/slide release/squirrel button, it never broke.

I am aware of some of these parts breaking. That's why S&W has beefed up the part in the most recent revision of the pistol's design.

Say what you want... To close the slide you are "supposed" to do what you have trained to do...Rack the slide like people have been doing for over a hundred years, or hitting the slide release, like people have been doing for over a hundred years. Just because S&W calls it something different doesn't negate the reality of the device.
 
Most will auto-forward if you slap the mag in..

There is no slide release on an M&P...... :p

Ran about 8 mags through my 9c Friday. Every single one had the slide go forward and chamber a round without any further manipulation. Was pretty sweet.
 
Say what you want... To close the slide you are "supposed" to do what you have trained to do...Rack the slide like people have been doing for over a hundred years, or hitting the slide release, like people have been doing for over a hundred years. Just because S&W calls it something different doesn't negate the reality of the device.

So you're saying it is OK to use the "slide ____lever" to close the slide?

I'd rather do it that way simply because I'm used to doing it with the 1911 and you can insert the mag with one hand, release the slide with your thumb and immediately be ready to shoot rather than put the mag in then pull back on the slide.
 
So you're saying it is OK to use the "slide ____lever" to close the slide?

I'd rather do it that way simply because I'm used to doing it with the 1911 and you can insert the mag with one hand, release the slide with your thumb and immediately be ready to shoot rather than put the mag in then pull back on the slide.

Yes, as has been said many times here and in other threads, it's perfectly fine to release the slide using the slide stop/catch/release. It won't harm the gun. IF it's tight at first, it's only because the edge has not worn smooth enough to remove that friction. ;)
 
Thanks, I thought it broke because I wasn't supposed to release it with the lever. I guess it broke because it was a bad design/poor metallurgy (the metal was awfully thin at the bend where it snapped). Hopefully, the next one will last more than 2 years. The gun has been great otherwise and I really enjoy shooting it.
 
So you're saying it is OK to use the "slide ____lever" to close the slide?

I'd rather do it that way simply because I'm used to doing it with the 1911 and you can insert the mag with one hand, release the slide with your thumb and immediately be ready to shoot rather than put the mag in then pull back on the slide.

Yep...It's OK, though again, there are various schools of thought on the efficacy of each method from a tactical standpoint. Shooting two rounds, speed reload (empty) and then two more rounds at 7 yards I can do around 3.5-3.6 seconds with the overhand "power stroke" pretty consistently. Using the slide release, I find I can be as fast as around 3.15 but often bobble just a bit and end up running anywhere between that 3.15 and a hair over 4 seconds. So when pushing maximum speed, the overhand is more consistent, but slightly slower for me. From a tactical standpoint I like the idea of consistency better than raw speed. I'm just so used to using the slide release it's taking me a while to develop the habit of going for the slide.
 
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