M1a for Self-Defense?

AK's inside a school with blanks are damn loud. A 9mm inside a typical room in a house is damn loud. A .308 would probably do a real number on what's left of my ears. I don't think most people appreciate the disorientation from loud gunshots inside a building.

That being said, I have M1A NM and refinished the wood stock, added a scope and bipod because....it's cool. Then I bought an M1A SOCOM 16 in green plastic because....it's cool! So my advice would be to buy the M1A for CQB and then when you determine that it may be inappropriate you will be forced to buy something additional!
 
I love shooting my Garand. It’s not exactly a home defense weapon. It would definitely dispatch any varmints, two legged or four. Problem is it has more reach than needed in an indoor closed environment like a home.
 
An M 1-A is a fine battle rifle, and plenty accurate for most target shooting.
Mine will put 5 shot inside of 2 inches at 100 yards, right out of the box, if I do my part.
For warfare, the 308, and this rifle will change cover into concealment, and do a pretty fair job, disabling an Automobile, if properly applied.
That said, as a home defense choice, I would be scared to death to pull the trigger in a residence, for fear of shooting through my house and killing my neighbor.
Long story short, get the M-1A is a great gun. Buy it you will probably love it. Save a few bucks for a good handgun, or shot gun for home defense..
 
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I’ve owned two M1As over the years. The first was a mostly military parts early Springfield armory Supermatch M1A. I bought it from the Ziebach county Sheriff who had been using it as a patrol rifle unit, he figured out it was a bit much.

I used it in National match competition and with hand loaded 168 gr SMKs is was a 3/4 MOA rifle. With issued M852 Match ammo it was about 1.25 MOA. With issued M118 ammo, it really depended on the ammo. Older lots of M118 were 1.5 MOA, while the newer lots were normally 2-3 MOA and totally uncompetitive, but that was the ammo’s fault, not the gun (*keep that thought in mind for a few minutes). The quality of the 173 gr bullets used in M118 declined sharply as Lake City’s tooling for it got tired.

I eventually sold it to another competitor to fund my switch to an AR-15 math rifle. I’ve kicked my self ever since as it would be about a $4K rifle now.

My second M1A is a standard model with no bells and whistles, standard barrel, non glass bedded, and non unitized gas system. I did however install a National match front sight as well as a rear sight hood and then accurized the rear sight. (That basically involves turning the sight boss to allow room for a spring to remove hysteresis in the windage, glass bedding the rack to eliminate play, and tweaking the cover a bit to remove the fore and aft rocking of the sight body.)

With handloaded 168 gr SMKs it will shoot down around 1.5 MOA. Not quite enough to be competitive in National match at 600 yards, but darn close.

With decent 150 gr M80’esque handloads using Hornady 150 gr FMJ bullets it’s still a solid 2 MOA rifle.

I’ve also shot a variety of M80 ball loads in it including US and Australian, as well as Mag Tech and Privi Partisan M80 commercial loads. Accuracy varies from 3 to 4 MOA which was about par for the M14 with M80 ball.

*Remember my comment about the early SA Supermatch shooting poorly with substandard ammo? I suspect that’s the root cause of many of the accuracy complaints about the standard M1A rifles. Feed it military ball grade ammo and you get military ball grade accuracy.

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I also owned a few FALs in both inch and metric configurations and while I loved the handling and the adjustable gas system, accuracy was never better than 3-4 MOA and At eventually turned them into a lot more money than I paid for them.

I also had a HK91 and while it was very well made and very accurate (it’s a battle rifle that really only needs a scope and match ammo to fill the sniper role), it felt both longer and heavier than it actually was, and it was in fact pretty heavy already. It was also very hard on brass and the roller lock system is designed for very narrow ranges of recoil impulse and pressure curves. Too much recoil or too slow a powder and it unlocks with excessive chamber pressure, throws the brass into the next county, and leaves striations that are deep enough to render the brass non reloadable. I turned it into *a lot* more money than I paid for it.

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I still have a BM-59 along side my M1A and my M1 Garand and quite frankly if I needed a battle rifle I’d pick the BM-59. It’s as accurate as the M1A but much nicer to shoot. The muzzle device actually works to reduce recoil, the bipod is actually pretty practical and it’s a bit handier than the M1A.

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However for home defense, I used an AR-15 in 9mm - a braced pistol with an 8.3” barrel. It’s been superseded by an MP5. The advantage of a 9mm carbine or braced pistol with a 8-10” barrel is greatly reduced muzzle flash and muzzle blast (down around 117 dB compared to 150 dB for a 4” 9mm pistol) which makes it a lot less ear damaging in confined spaces.

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I have a few Mini 14s and they are great little rifles to have in the truck or for general purposes outdoors activities, but like the AR-15 in .223 the muzzle blast is atrocious indoors - on the order of 155 dB.

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I also own a few M1 carbines. They were designed as personal defense weapons and they still do that job pretty well.
 
Cool historical rifle to have, and heavy enough to offer an effective attitude adjustment with just a bump to the head.

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M1A are fantastic rifles.. for home defense, not so much... they shine in the 200-800 yard game... and they are not WWII in any way.. go with a PCC for home defense.. get a M1 Garand or M1 Carbine to pay tribute to your father... or maybe a trench shotgun to cover both.
 

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You’d need a good quality gun belt, and a large holster, but sure, why not!

I love these scenarios, and justifications on buying a gun that we want. Urban/neighborhood sniping, sounds good to me, get the gun!

I’ve got an M1a, really nice gun. I never shoot it, but it’s a nice gun. And .308 is a great round, much more punch than a 5.56. I actually like the AR platform, in .308, better for what you intend. And I also really like the Bullpup .308 platform, with a 1x8 scope, that’s an awesome setup.

I agree with many that a AR15/5.56 is a better all around choice, but like the .308 in addition to the 5.56 platform. Heck, I think a well armed homeowner should have both!! ;). Share pics when you get it/them...
 
Newbie question: what is an "SxS." What type of ammo do you have in it?

About PCCs, I have my eyes on the Ruger PC9 carbine. It's REALLY hard to find out here.

I was looking into Henry's lever actions in .357 Magnum for home defense, but multiple posts on a Cowboy Action Shooting (CAS) forum disparaged the entire line due to the quality being low ("entry level" I believe were the exact words) and jamming during rapid fire.

I have a Henry rifle that works wonderfully. I have handled and shot several others that guests brought to my range. I have never met an unsatisfied Henry owner.

The Cowboy action shooters have a whole different standard. When they say 'rapid fire' they are talking about a 'Chuck Connors' rate of fire and wear and tear on their equipment that the average shooter will never achieve. Watch them on utube. It's amazing.

Having said that The Ruger PC would be a better bet, especially paired with a pistol using the same magazines.

SXS is just an abbreviation for side by side, a traditional double barreled shotgun.
 
my deceased father in law, fought thru the pacific, gave me his immaculate '43 Garand, which he acquired many years ago from the DCM program. Not something I would reach for in a home invasion. But it is accurate, and if I really needed to reach out and touch someone, even if the assailant was down behind a car or concrete wall, for that I would use the en bloc "clips" with the black tip AP rounds he also he also gave me.

I think a home protection gun should be something easy to handle, not some long rifle unwieldy in a hallway or bathroom.

When I shoot my Garand at a rifle range, other shooters put their weapons down just to watch that battle tested rifle do what it was designed to do.

All the best... SF VET
 
Check your local gs to see if they have LEO turn in/ trade in shotguns. Local one near me has about 20 in stock every month for around,+ -, $400. As posted above use #8,#6,#4 shot for IN HOME. Depending on your skill with a pistol or revolver that would be first go to weapon. Any “Battle Rifle” would not be the solution as mentioned above, never know where the round will end up.
Gave my NM M-1A to my son earlier this year as no place to shoot and enjoy it, had it since late 70’s.
 
I went with the M1A SOCOM.

I'm not a fan of the 5.56 or the AR15.

I use my Benelli M1 Super 90 for home defense. I think I can solve many problems with a 12 gauge.

I have other rifles and shotguns the Benelli being my favorite.

I would like to come across a Mossberg 590A1 retrograde if I could find one.
 
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I love the M1A. Its my favorite main battle rifle. NOTE I said Main Battle Rifle. In a true SHTF scenario where the enemy may be hiding behind cars or cinder block walls, this is the rifle to reach for. As someone mentioned earlier, it turns cover into concealment. Also good if you need to reach out there a ways.
My favorite is the Scout Squad configuration. The 18" barrel strikes the perfect balance between firepower and handling.
But, its way too much for urban home defense.
Honestly, I think any centerfire rifle is too much in an urban setting. A shotgun or handgun is much more suited to an in house situation.
That said, the M1A is a great rifle. Buy one if you want just to enjoy shooting it or have a real rifle in case of the mythical end of the world scenario. ;)

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Absolutely no . I can see no SD situation shy of a war where a lot of ammo would be available to be picked up ( unlikely ) where I would want an M1 rifle . If I were in survival mode I would want a rifle that would keep folks at a good long distance but also it would need to be one that didn't throw away my brass .

In a house any handgun or short shotgun would be preferable to a rifle in my opinion . I keep a couple of m12 Winchesters with 20" barrels stashed where they are easy to get my hands on when things go bump in the night . I also have a 1911 by the bed and one in a drawer in another part of the house . When I undress for bed my pants are on a chair I can reach from the bed and a J frame with two strips is in the front pockets .

Buy the M1 but buy it because you want one and will enjoy shooting and owning it .
 
...I can see no SD situation shy of a war where a lot of ammo would be available to be picked up ( unlikely ) where I would want an M1 rifle...

Thanks.

By "picked up," do you mean battlefield pick ups or going to LGS to buy ammunition?
 
Have 2 now, owned several over the years, shot many more, and I have never seen that.

What kind of accuracy out of the box are you seeing?

Ans: 4-6 MOA just don't do it for me.

My M1A medium bbl, rear lugged in McMillan stock won the Ben Avery, Az leg match back in 2001 against all the AR 15'z, and Camp Pendleton rifle team firing M14's. Back when we used all iron sights to 600 yds and on paper targets.
 
Ans: 4-6 MOA just don't do it for me.

My M1A medium bbl, rear lugged in McMillan stock won the Ben Avery, Az leg match back in 2001 against all the AR 15'z, and Camp Pendleton rifle team firing M14's. Back when we used all iron sights to 600 yds and on paper targets.

Wow!

I have never seen that in a Springfield M1A, not even from their base model.
 
As others pointed out the M1a is a hefty tool....a bit much for home/self defense......many other options for self defense at home......however....

I have a M1a....broken in...tuned....and 100% reliable....stored away for the day...if...the masses do rise up and become a real threat of home invasions......as others pointed out....turns "cover into concealment".......

as its place in the home defense tool cabinet...
 
More most home owners and cliff dwellers a pump 12ga shotgun with minimum legal barrel length might be the best all around choice.
I'd put #4 buck in mine if that was what I had chosen for the home.
Like any other firearm you need to become very familiar with it and what to expect when you fire it inside a room.So shoot it at a small indoor range.
At night in a dark room and without ear protection the firing may be shocking.
 
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