M640 Mini Torture Test

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After a few days of ownership and a short 75 round range session to test function, I couldn't leave well enough alone. I took the new M640 to the range again and first put 50 rounds of 130 grain standard FMJ .38 special through it to warm up followed by 125 full house 158 grain and 125 grain .357 magnums. The 357's were a mix of PPU flat point FMJ, Remington JSP and PPU JHP. For the most part it was rapid fire strings of five shots, reload, repeat.

My hand didn't hold up as well as the gun. Wedding ring (impossible to get off after 31 years) chewed up my strong hand pinkie providing lots of blood along with a nice blister on the top of the web of my strong hand. Things I learned:

1) I short stroked (light click no bang) the gun several times. I chalk this up to much practicing with a Sig P365 for the last year and riding the trigger. Also griping the 640 for dear life while shooting rapid fire to get back on target quickly. Once I made sure to let my finger come off the trigger there were no further problems.

2) The sights are next to useless in bright daylight when firing rapidly. If you waited to obtain an acceptable sight picture you'd be dead. I mostly just kept the barrel pointed at the center of the target and pulled the trigger rapidly. The effects of this can be seen in the attached target. It was the last 10 shots of the day, hands were killing me and managed to get 8 of 10 rounds landing in an 8" circle at 21' with a second or less between shots. Vertical had a lot of spread as I couldn't see where the sights were on follow up. Horizontal was not as bad. The Sile grips did their job. They were PPU 158 gr JHP. The barrel was so hot my skin nearly stuck to it. I'm ordering a XS standard dot front sight for a smith to install.

3) At home I wiped the gun down and took the side plate off to have a look. Disassembly was easy as the rapid fire of 125 357s loosened the extractor rod, and side plate screw which holds the cylinder assembly in, in spite of the factory red Loctite. The inside of the gun itself looked perfect. See all the S&W QA problems of metal shavings, caked up gunk and poorly machined surfaces.... me either. Wiped it down, put a drop or two of Weapon Shield oil on the rebound slide, sear face, springs and buttoned it back up. Trigger pull on my Timney Gauge is consistently a little over 10 lbs.

Overall very pleased with the performance and quality of this little hand cannon. It's ready to enter my EDC rotation. I'll keep up practice with it, but won't be shooting that many .357s out of it for anytime soon.

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My 640-1 has been utterly reliable too. I don't think I ever put 125 rounds of full power 357 Magnum through it in one session. Ouch! The sights are adequate for the revolver's intended purpose. With deliberate aim, I can keep all rounds on a 9 inch paper plate at 25 yards, but it's real use is for very close quarters.
 
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I think these little guns are capable of some pretty fair accuracy - if you can stand to practice with them enough to get there. :D “A few years ago” I considered myself a decent hand with a Chief’s Special. Not so much these days, for lack of practice, and the P365 has sort of taken over that role because it is so much easier to shoot accurately. Large grips on the J-frame do help, but they sort of detract from the purpose of the gun, IMO. Anyway, congrats on your new .357! :)

(Edit) I forgot to ask. Who was being “tortured” - the weapon, or the shooter? That’s a LOT of .357s to shoot in that little gun in one range session. :o
 
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I usually load my Js with 38+P.
Also have never shot that much 357 in my J Frames.
My excuse is - I don’t have that much 357 Ammo and I don’t see that much for sale!
Here’s my 640.
 

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You might want to remove the main spring before you take the side plate off. There's a lot of strain as it's pictured now.
 
I have a 340PD and only put five .357 through it & was cured from doing that again. It’s fine w/standard pressure, a bit of a handful w/+P but adequate for its purpose. Loaded it’s a wee bit lighter than my LCP when it’s loaded. Great carry in a pocket holster though.
 
My 640 no-dash has the smoothest trigger pull of all the J-frames I own. It's also possible to stage the trigger pull for an almost single-action letoff. This one is .38 special only and will take +P easily. .357 in such a small revolver strikes me as masochistic. I think .38 special +P is just perfect for this gun. The stocks are Herrett's Shooting Stars, made to my hand pattern a long time ago - very comfortable, even with stout loads. All-steel instead of "air weight" helps the comfort level a lot.

John

 
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The 640 is a sweet wheel gun. I’ve had mine tweaked by a former longtime police armorer who polished the internals, swapped a few springs and frankly, converted the gun into a Jedi like appliance. I’ve never seen a cylinder rotate so fast and precise. My favorite S&W now by far :)
 
These revolvers, I am sure, are capable of 3 inch or smaller groups at 25 yards, but that would have to be from a machine rest. The sight radius is very short, which makes accurate shooting by hand difficult. The revolver itself is quite small, which makes steady control even more difficult. This combines to give the compact revolvers a poor, but undeserved, reputation for accuracy.


I pulled out my logbook, yes, I'm one of those who keeps records of such things, and I see that my first outing with my 640-1 occurred on October 28, 1995. On that day, being much younger and no arthritis, I did fire 100 rounds of full power 357 Magnum ammo as a break-in session. That was the most I have fired through that revolver in one day.
 
I like red or orange paint on the front and black magic marker in the rear pit. Generally don’t like any kind of front dot.
 
These revolvers, I am sure, are capable of 3 inch or smaller groups at 25 yards, but that would have to be from a machine rest. The sight radius is very short, which makes accurate shooting by hand difficult. The revolver itself is quite small, which makes steady control even more difficult. This combines to give the compact revolvers a poor, but undeserved, reputation for accuracy.


I pulled out my logbook, yes, I'm one of those who keeps records of such things, and I see that my first outing with my 640-1 occurred on October 28, 1995. On that day, being much younger and no arthritis, I did fire 100 rounds of full power 357 Magnum ammo as a break-in session. That was the most I have fired through that revolver in one day.

I agree with you. These guns are not mechanically inaccurate.

They are hard to shoot accurately though.

It can be done but requires a lot of practice and the heavy recoil associated with these guns does not lend itself to a lot of practice.
 
I have the engraved version of your 640. I do not like shooting magnum loads from it at all, but I’m going to try the Buffalo Bore +p fbi loads in it.
 
Here is the 640 I like best! The sights make it easier to shoot at a distance and the banana grips make it manageable in my large hands!
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I have shot 357s in this gun, but it is not fun after a couple of cylinders full!
jcelect

Who did the sights?
 
640 Pro if it's an early one it would be Trijicon later ones are AmeriGlo. Call S&W CS with the serial# andMy they can tell you. I just had mine relamped by Trijicon. Purchased mine in 2013 or 2014 and the originals were about 25% on brightness.
 
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