mmaher94087
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Very few reproduction parts will fit an original Smith & Wesson revolver. A few coil springs can be modified to fit but that is about the limits of interchangeability.
Making Screws for my Schofield
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Hi There,
I put a new mainspring in my Schofield from one of the repros
and it fits but it doesn't feel right. This is due to the way the
spring was made. Originals are machined and tapered in
thickness and the repros are stamped out and have a uniform
thickness.
It will do for now until I make a new one.
Cheers!
Webb
I put a new mainspring in my Schofield from one of the repros
and it fits but it doesn't feel right. This is due to the way the
spring was made. Originals are machined and tapered in
thickness and the repros are stamped out and have a uniform
thickness.
It will do for now until I make a new one.
Cheers!
Webb
TomTownUSA
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FOR WEBB, Schofield missing center plate screw
Good morning Webb. I removed the plate and find the missing center plate screw is not the problem. The way the plate is made with an inside ring around the hammer pivot pin at the screw end, it holds the hammer in place and works fine as original, just no center plate screw. My problem is the cylinder lock spring that is embedded in the front area of the trigger guard. The broken original was in the gun when I received it. I purchased another from Uberti and with a bit of filing fitted it in. The angle of the portion that pushes the cylinder lock into lock appears to be correct but it must be to high or to strong because the trigger can not seem to depress or unlock the cylinder lock pin to allow the hand to rotate the cylinder. Other than that, the gun should function correctly without the center plate screw. Tom
Good morning Webb. I removed the plate and find the missing center plate screw is not the problem. The way the plate is made with an inside ring around the hammer pivot pin at the screw end, it holds the hammer in place and works fine as original, just no center plate screw. My problem is the cylinder lock spring that is embedded in the front area of the trigger guard. The broken original was in the gun when I received it. I purchased another from Uberti and with a bit of filing fitted it in. The angle of the portion that pushes the cylinder lock into lock appears to be correct but it must be to high or to strong because the trigger can not seem to depress or unlock the cylinder lock pin to allow the hand to rotate the cylinder. Other than that, the gun should function correctly without the center plate screw. Tom
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TomTownUSA
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a 2nd for WEBB, Schofield missing center plate screw
Sorry, forgot to tell you.. the center plate screw is broken off flush with the end of the hammer pivot pin, but the pivot pin protrudes from the hammer far enough to be held in place by the built in plate ring and therefor is secure and functions OK without the end screw. So the only problem is a new correct cylinder lock spring.
I hope the photos got posted, I used the browser option, seemed to work OK. side note: interesting, names written inside the grips.
Again, have you ever heard an estimate of the number of surviving true Schofield CIVILIAN models of the original 685 made. I have a S&W Collectors letter authenticating it to be a Civilian model.
Sorry, forgot to tell you.. the center plate screw is broken off flush with the end of the hammer pivot pin, but the pivot pin protrudes from the hammer far enough to be held in place by the built in plate ring and therefor is secure and functions OK without the end screw. So the only problem is a new correct cylinder lock spring.
I hope the photos got posted, I used the browser option, seemed to work OK. side note: interesting, names written inside the grips.
Again, have you ever heard an estimate of the number of surviving true Schofield CIVILIAN models of the original 685 made. I have a S&W Collectors letter authenticating it to be a Civilian model.
TomTownUSA
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to WEBB, Schofield cylinder stop sprng,
Morning again. I removed the trigger guard and when I cock the hammer I can feel the pivoting cylinder stop bar being pushed down to allow the hand to push the cylinder, so that is working OK. As I stated, the spring is the problem. They both, old and new, are flat spring steel, cut not milled, guess I will just leave it alone for now. I have a new model 3 American, since the engineering is the same I may check it's spring.
If you hear of anyone selling an original spring to fit the Schofield or a New model 3 American please message me.
Please acknowledge, you did see the photos.. any thoughts??? and surviving Civilian Schofields count ???.... thanks much
Tom
Morning again. I removed the trigger guard and when I cock the hammer I can feel the pivoting cylinder stop bar being pushed down to allow the hand to push the cylinder, so that is working OK. As I stated, the spring is the problem. They both, old and new, are flat spring steel, cut not milled, guess I will just leave it alone for now. I have a new model 3 American, since the engineering is the same I may check it's spring.
If you hear of anyone selling an original spring to fit the Schofield or a New model 3 American please message me.
Please acknowledge, you did see the photos.. any thoughts??? and surviving Civilian Schofields count ???.... thanks much
Tom
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Hi There,
In my previous posts, I mentioned that the missing screw would
not prevent the revolver from functioning.
IIRC, there were 35 first model and 648 second model "civilian"
Schofields. At least, this is the published figures. Unfortunately
there isn't any list that I know of that records surviving civilian
Schofields. Actually, the total number of Schofields made is not
known.
Published sources say that 8,969 Schofields were made but
there is at least one that has surfaced with a serial number
over 9,000 (9019 to be exact). So, the total number made
isn't really known. Roy Jinks said that an 1878 Factory inven-
tory document dated 1878 shows 11,000 Schofield frames on
hand.
Allegedly, all 2nd Model civilian models have serial numbers
over 6,000 (but there have been undocumented ones claiming
to be under that number). This area is fluid and as new infor-
mation comes to light, these figures may change.
Cheers!
Webb
In my previous posts, I mentioned that the missing screw would
not prevent the revolver from functioning.
IIRC, there were 35 first model and 648 second model "civilian"
Schofields. At least, this is the published figures. Unfortunately
there isn't any list that I know of that records surviving civilian
Schofields. Actually, the total number of Schofields made is not
known.
Published sources say that 8,969 Schofields were made but
there is at least one that has surfaced with a serial number
over 9,000 (9019 to be exact). So, the total number made
isn't really known. Roy Jinks said that an 1878 Factory inven-
tory document dated 1878 shows 11,000 Schofield frames on
hand.
Allegedly, all 2nd Model civilian models have serial numbers
over 6,000 (but there have been undocumented ones claiming
to be under that number). This area is fluid and as new infor-
mation comes to light, these figures may change.
Cheers!
Webb
Damn, I am a former machinist (decades ago) and I am impressed with your work here. I am with Steelslaver, my mitts were not made for such fine work. Nicely done.
TomTownUSA
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to Webb... Schofield civilian numbers.
I agree with you and Supica's catalog does too, 648, but my SW Collectors letter states 685, may be a typo... In any case I am so pleased to have added a Schofield to my old West collection and thanks to the you and forum I am much more knowledgeable.. That plate removal worked perfectly, but who would know without friends like you, thanks. Tom
I agree with you and Supica's catalog does too, 648, but my SW Collectors letter states 685, may be a typo... In any case I am so pleased to have added a Schofield to my old West collection and thanks to the you and forum I am much more knowledgeable.. That plate removal worked perfectly, but who would know without friends like you, thanks. Tom
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Hi There,
Well, if you add the 35 First Model and the 648 Second Model
civilians together, you get 683 but these numbers are from
documents and books that are decades old and new infor-
mation may have come to light. I have tried to get as much
information on Schofields I could get but that doesn't mean
I have found everything that was published out there.
You mentioned your "SW Collectors letter." Is that a letter from
the S&W Historical Foundation? They are the ones to contact
to get definitive information on a particular S&W revolver (base
on the Factory ledger and "Daybook" that S&W kept).
I was glad to help (where I could). Most of this information
was gleaned from research and hands-on experience fixing
my "less that perfect" Schofield Second Model (I have another
one that is in much better condition). I still need to make a
mainspring and a front sight.
I would like to know if your Schofield has one or two patent
dates on the right side of the barrel. All First Models and some
Second Models have just the one patent date but Major Schofield
complained and a new die was made with both patent dates.
Both of mine have both patent dates but I would like to see
one with only the one.
Cheers!
Webb
Well, if you add the 35 First Model and the 648 Second Model
civilians together, you get 683 but these numbers are from
documents and books that are decades old and new infor-
mation may have come to light. I have tried to get as much
information on Schofields I could get but that doesn't mean
I have found everything that was published out there.
You mentioned your "SW Collectors letter." Is that a letter from
the S&W Historical Foundation? They are the ones to contact
to get definitive information on a particular S&W revolver (base
on the Factory ledger and "Daybook" that S&W kept).
I was glad to help (where I could). Most of this information
was gleaned from research and hands-on experience fixing
my "less that perfect" Schofield Second Model (I have another
one that is in much better condition). I still need to make a
mainspring and a front sight.
I would like to know if your Schofield has one or two patent
dates on the right side of the barrel. All First Models and some
Second Models have just the one patent date but Major Schofield
complained and a new die was made with both patent dates.
Both of mine have both patent dates but I would like to see
one with only the one.
Cheers!
Webb
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