MANDATORY classes for ccw?

[DeathGrip]

None of that was part of the OP's question.

But to answer,

not the government


a private company maybe, hopefully?


I don't trust the current admin any further than I can kick their collective sorry ****es!!!


man I love this!

Me too!

If not the government who?

A private company? Government contract maybe?

Can't argue with you're third answer. It proves the first two.

 

[baldeagle8888]

What PRIVATE COMPANY OR BUSINESS is going to be given the power to administer this "REQUIREMENT"? Sounds good, but impossible to either enforce or deny a Constitutional
Question.

I really think a lot of posters are assuming that we (POSTERS) that are saying NO are against any training, safety or legal information. I can't speak for anyone but me. I think all of the above would be helpful, But if you make it MANDATORY, THAT MEANS IT WOULD BE THE GOVERNMENT DOING IT.
That's what I'm against.

baldeagle8888

 

[Alnamvet68]

I have yet to say some government agency should be the one doing the training/test. Why would easily accessible informative training be a bad thing if done by a private party and had reasonable standards? When carrying you should know the laws. You should know when you should draw/aim/fire in a situation. Practice for the situations.

(and all this is before political BS is involved.)



Why? I know people who shouldn't be trusted to tie their own shoe laces with out hanging them selves THATS why. Where I live every inbred idiot and wanna be gang banger would be walking down the street with a gun if they didn't have to go pay 50$ for a class and another 50$ for the permit.

And some should not stoop to personal attacks (which this forum is horrible with) when someone disagrees with them. Very few things are black and white.... refusing to look at another side is the reason we have all this **** to begin with.


Please pick apart what I say a little more.
No laws affect those who have no intention of following them. They do on the other hand curb some of the "on the fence" people who are afraid of breaking the law. I don't think it should be legal for Jim to walk into a gun store and walk back out with a gun tucked in the front of his pants without SOME sort of process. Does Jim know he cant walk into a school with that gun? Does he even know how to load/unload work the safety or aim it?

Ill go the rout others are taking. So lets make it legal for Jim to do just that.

Jim is walking through the park and Bob comes over and pushes him. Jim doesnt want to be hurt so he pulls out a gun and shoots at Bob. Jim has never even pointed a gun at a target before and sprays bullets into a park striking several innocent people and killing Bob. When police show up Jim has no idea what he did wrong and is more than likely gunned down by police. And now we have another story on the news... this time a true one... about how easy it is for anyone to LEGALLY carry a gun without any sort of training or instruction period.


Tools are dangerous. I don't want someone next to me fumbling around with a knife, hedge clippers, and most definitely not a gun if they have no idea what they are doing.

Forgive me if I'm just picking a part of your post, but from my perspective, the only thing I got out of this thread was there was a level of personal attacks that were overlooked by those in charge of tending to such matters, and the degree of subjective moderation, or any for that matter, came as a great surprise to me. I have seen so many threads here closed or simply vanish for a whole lot less, but then again, I understand why this one was not closed...or even moderated to provide some semblance of intelligent and hostile free discourse.

 

[timn8er]

I, for one, woukd like to thank ladder13 for a comprehensive listing of folks to add to my ignore list.

That's pretty mature. Since you took me to task on one of my earlier posts, I assume I made your list. That's cool...

If you can't stand to hear another opinion other than your own...That's cool!

If you just want to "ignore" any other opinion other than your own...That's cool. too!

That's your right, just as it is mine to have a different opinion!

 

[SW_shooter]

I have seen so many threads here closed or simply vanish for a whole lot less, but then again, I understand why this one was not closed...or even moderated to provide some semblance of intelligent and hostile free discourse.

Oh gosh I hope they don't read this thread.....I could end up on double secret probation.

 

[Poodle Soup]

What PRIVATE COMPANY OR BUSINESS is going to be given the power to administer this "REQUIREMENT"? Sounds good, but impossible to either enforce or deny a Constitutional
Question.

The NRA perhaps? The requirement being you have to take the class to get a permit. The NRA sets the "standard" or at least the situations ones must go through to get a permit. Tailor it to each state. Take the class, get a certificate, take it to the court house and they run a back ground check and give you your permit.

And for a renewal you go in, brush up on the laws and your permit is ready to go again.

Im not saying I would go out and support the first thing that came along but Im all for having a better trained, and better armed society.

 

[jlrhiner]

Why are they pickin on 'ol Jim? I've been buying guns without supervision for 35 years. Haven't shot anyone who didn't need it! And if 'ol Bob comes up and pushes me, getting shot will be the least of his worries!

I STILL think it's wrong!!!

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The best arguments for mandated training so far have been...

-Well my state does it
-Drivers need training
-Well I've seen people handling guns who I feel don't meet MY standards
-I walked into walmart and looked at people

Don't forget about the guy (a few posts ago) who shot and murdered his neighbor because a cat pooped on the lawn. Had the poor uneducated murderer been mandated to go to training, he would have known not to do that.

 

[keith44spl]

All this piss poor firearm handling must be in some other region........

As a CC firearms instructor, I encounter very few folks that have not received some previous training.

Be it from a parent/grandparent, spouse, or friend.

Even the state legislature said upon passing the conceal carry legislation;

"We're just making it legal...For what everyone is already doing anyway."

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From this instructor/trainer's portal and view....Training should be available, but not mandatory.


It's also an honor to be able to teach young folks responsible firearm handling and use.


Oh, I haven't run across any Earp's or Doc Holidays in the real CC world.

But, I have traded a few shots with sum Hatfield or McCoy types in the hills and hollers of Appalachia,

And they's weren't kidding' none neither.


.

 

[redlevel]

Forgive me if I'm just picking a part of your post, but from my perspective, the only thing I got out of this thread was there was a level of personal attacks that were overlooked by those in charge of tending to such matters, and the degree of subjective moderation, or any for that matter, came as a great surprise to me. I have seen so many threads here closed or simply vanish for a whole lot less, but then again, I understand why this one was not closed...or even moderated to provide some semblance of intelligent and hostile free discourse.

Originally Posted by redlevel
Just how much proof do you suggest? Who do you suggest to be in charge of the mandatory "legal and practical knowledge" education you would require for simply owning and possessing a gun? What kind of government documentation would you require?

Might I also assume from this particular post that you would also favor universal background checks as well as universal registration, just so enforcement authorities can be sure those you deem unqualified can be prevented from acquiring a weapon?

Sounds like it to me.
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You might not have meant to do it, but you have gone way beyond the original premise of this thread, that is, whether there should be mandatory training to get a carry license.

You have suggested that one should have mandatory training before one may own or possess a gun.

I believe I posed some fair questions for you.

Care to comment?

 

[SW_shooter]

Don't forget about the guy (a few posts ago) who shot and murdered his neighbor because a cat pooped on the lawn. Had the poor uneducated murderer been mandated to go to training, he would have known not to do that.

Knowing does not equal not doing. Look back at that link I gave you about shootings (reaul Rodriguez). There was a TV report on 20/20 (or some network) about this guy in TX who took a video camera and a pistol out with him while he confronted his noisy neighbors. He recorded over 20 minutes of the encounter. On tape he says "I fear for my life" several times. Eventually he shoots three people, one fatally. He's currently in prison for murder because they used the tape to argue premeditation on his part since he had taken a CHL class and knew what to say to try to make himself look like he was shooting in self defense. Jury didn't buy self defense.

Gotta run, broccoli is ready to eat!

 

[pace40]

That's pretty mature. Since you took me to task on one of my earlier posts, I assume I made your list. That's cool...

If you can'y stand to hear another opinion other than your own...That's cool!

If you just want to "ignore" any other opinion other than your own...That's cool. too!

That's your right, just as it is mine to have a different opinion!

Sorry but I didn't take you to task at all. Just pointed out that 50 years ago the issue didn't exist.

This is not an opinion issue, its a Constitutional issue and yes, I will not spend time on those treading on it. Done here........

 

[imashooter2]

Once you make training mandatory, it is a simple matter to make the training so difficult to access or pass that virtually no one can successfully complete the requirement.

The results of this poll are pretty depressing.

 

[timn8er]

Sorry but I didn't take you to task at all. Just pointed out that 50 years ago the issue didn't exist.

This is not an opinion issue, its a Constitutional issue and yes, I will not spend time on those treading on it. Done here........

Well then, If I misinterpreted you, I apologize! Fifty years ago a lot of the issues we are dealing with today didn't exist. We're not passing laws here, this is not a legislative branch. The OP asked for opinions, & they have been offered here.No one should be attacked, no matter what their opinion is!

 

[gregintenn]

Where I live every inbred idiot and wanna be gang banger would be walking down the street with a gun if they didn't have to go pay 50$ for a class and another 50$ for the permit.

I find it comical tht you assume these people are religiously following the law now. I don't know where you live, but here, the sort of people who obtain a carry permit represent the most law abiding and safest among us. The people like you've described will carry a gun if they intend to carry a gun. Laws and permits be d@mned.

Using the logic I've read in this thread, you'd think teenage pregnancy and S.T.D.s would no longer exist since we have MANDATORY sex education in public schools.

 

[USAF385]

You also refuse to state where you live.


Are you embarrassed to say so?

You also refuse to properly write a proper paragraph and ignore proper English punctuation.

Seriously?

 

[Old TexMex]

A refusal to accept mandatory training would result in a government violation of the 2nd Amendment. The right to keep and bear isn't like driving a car, whether we like it or not.
We're from the government and we're here to help....if it saves just one life.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Sometimes you people frustrate me and sometimes you make me laugh.

After reading the OP s l o w l y I came away with a several observations: (not meant to be critical to ladder13, just what this poor soul sees)

The questions says nothing about who will administer or oversee the class.

The question says nothing about having to pass a test. (written or proficiency)

The question says nothing about infringing your right to carry a weapon, it just asks about taking a class.

The question says nothing about having to pay for the class or how long the class would be.

The question says nothing about exceptions (military or LEOs) to taking the class or alternatives.

The question says nothing about differentiating between murders and law abiding citizens.

I think everyone has biases or reads into the question things that weren't there. If there had been anything that pointed to government interference or control I would have voted differently. I tried to take it at face value. And to those who keep saying that people who voted YES must want more government control of guns, I think that's a very unfair characterization. I'd be willing to bet no one on the forum wants more gun control. What I see is people saying they want safe use of guns.

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mama said - play nice

VERY good post. And the word "MANDATORY" does NOT automatically make it bad. What about MANDATORY safety TRAINING (not just education) in gun handling in school? Is that unquestionably bad, without reading anything into the question?

 

[redlevel]

And the word "MANDATORY" does NOT automatically make it bad.

In this instance it does, especially if you believe in the least possible government intrusion. The state is the entity that issues licenses, so in this instance, "mandatory" means mandated by the state, which is bad.

To all the people bringing up gun training in schools:
1) It ain't going to happen.
2)It shouldn't happen, at least not to the point of being Mandatory.
If a parent doesn't wish his/her child to have firearms training,
far be it from me tosuggest that they should be forced.

 

[GaryS]

Once you make training mandatory, it is a simple matter to make the training so difficult to access or pass that virtually no one can successfully complete the requirement.

The results of this poll are pretty depressing.

If someone doubts this, look at what Chicago and Washington, DC tried to do. Chicago made it mandatory to get training while simultaneously making it impossible to open a range inside the city. They got sued for that post McDonald and lost, but I don't know that there are any ranges in Chicago or Cook County yet.

If you want to see how difficult DC makes it to merely have a gun in your home, read this series.