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I don't support mandatory training for concealed carry, but I do think it is a reasonable requirement.
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MANDATORY classes for ccw?
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baldeagle8888
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Quoting Alnamvet68
Please....spare me with the self-righteous indignation act. We're not talking about your FICA scores, the topic is making choices when it comes to feeding your kids or buying a gun; and yes, if you can afford a gun, you have no excuse to take a firearms safety course, and the safe use of the handgun you possess; I don't care if it's CCW, open carry, or Mexican carry...you want to own a gun, then prove to me and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be "mandatory" when possessing a firearm.
I always thought that as an AMERICAN CITIZEN I was living under the Constitution AND The Bill of "RIGHTS" which contains the 2nd Amendment which reads "shall not be infringed". I sure in the hell didn't know that I had to answer to you and get your okay. If you believe you have that right then I'll assume the right to deny you the right to express that. Now that you and I have destroyed both the 1st and 2nd amendments, lets just go for the moon and do away with the rest of them. Hell, lets do away with the Constitution also, then we'll just become SUBJECTS instead of CITIZENS. Better yet, why don't we just follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and realize that there is no perfect world and OUR Freedom has some downsides but far out ways any other form of Government.
baldeagle8888
Please....spare me with the self-righteous indignation act. We're not talking about your FICA scores, the topic is making choices when it comes to feeding your kids or buying a gun; and yes, if you can afford a gun, you have no excuse to take a firearms safety course, and the safe use of the handgun you possess; I don't care if it's CCW, open carry, or Mexican carry...you want to own a gun, then prove to me and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be "mandatory" when possessing a firearm.
I always thought that as an AMERICAN CITIZEN I was living under the Constitution AND The Bill of "RIGHTS" which contains the 2nd Amendment which reads "shall not be infringed". I sure in the hell didn't know that I had to answer to you and get your okay. If you believe you have that right then I'll assume the right to deny you the right to express that. Now that you and I have destroyed both the 1st and 2nd amendments, lets just go for the moon and do away with the rest of them. Hell, lets do away with the Constitution also, then we'll just become SUBJECTS instead of CITIZENS. Better yet, why don't we just follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and realize that there is no perfect world and OUR Freedom has some downsides but far out ways any other form of Government.
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baldeagle8888
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to OUT WEST,
Please explain the difference between Mandatory and Requirement. Seems to me they imply the same thing.
baldeagle8888
Please explain the difference between Mandatory and Requirement. Seems to me they imply the same thing.
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doby
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And the next step.....having a child/children is a right but we should want the government to give the citizens a mandatory class on having a child? Know what some of you are thinking... "Well yes they should". Maybe some on this board will realize what I am putting forth here. Oh and I know we are all talking about guns, I get that, but really whats next?
gregintenn
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I cannot believe some of you. I took a course in which our instructor repeatedly swept myself and my father with the muzzle of a cocked and locked 1911 while bragging about how proficient he was with it. My father taught me gun safety, just as I am passing on to my sons. Not the fool teaching the government mandated class.
What we need isn't mandatory anything. It is for the men in this country to step up and be fathers instead of wanting the government to do it for them.
For those of you who are in favor of mandatory classes, how are we going to get criminals into these safety classes? They are the problem with guns; not law abiding citizens choosing to exercise the right to defend themselves.
What we need isn't mandatory anything. It is for the men in this country to step up and be fathers instead of wanting the government to do it for them.
For those of you who are in favor of mandatory classes, how are we going to get criminals into these safety classes? They are the problem with guns; not law abiding citizens choosing to exercise the right to defend themselves.
HAWKEYE10
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I voted yes!!! I have seen people at the range that had no business with a gun and I have seen people on the highway that had no business driving a car. Most everyone has a right to have guns but with that right comes responsibility. Don
doby
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"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin. Just a quote I am found of. Fitting? For me yes because there are too many becoming complacent and wanting to meet halfway with the anti gun side that just sits and waits, patiently, for us to say ' Oh what the heck'. Then what? What we lose next? Too many of us, as a whole just don't want to fight, too much trouble, lose sight of what is really at stake. Paranoid? I say not. It has been happening for a long time now. A little here, a little there and WHAM! it's gone.
doby
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Doesn't driving a car also come with responsibility? Bet a lot more people killed by irresponsible drivers and heck you have to go through drivers ed and pass a drivers test!
Please....spare me with the self-righteous indignation act. We're not talking about your FICA scores, the topic is making choices when it comes to feeding your kids or buying a gun; and yes, if you can afford a gun, you have no excuse to take a firearms safety course, and the safe use of the handgun you possess; I don't care if it's CCW, open carry, or Mexican carry...you want to own a gun, then prove to me and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be "mandatory" when possessing a firearm.
If you want to vote, prove to me that and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be mandatory with going into a voting booth.
If you want the right to demand a search warrant before the police search your house, prove to me that and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be mandatory with having a right to be secure in your possessions.
If you want the right to counsel before the police question you with regard to a crime , prove to me that and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be mandatory with having a right to not to incriminate yourself.
If you want the right to trial by a jury of your peers, prove to me that and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be mandatory with having a right to be tried by fellow citizens.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I hope that your chains bear lightly on your shoulders. Give in to one "common sense" restriction on a right, and when that doesn't work, they'll just be back to ask you to give up "just one more" because that one will cause criminals not to commit crimes.
SW_shooter
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tisk tisk tisk.....ladder13 throws out a bone with a little meat on it and then steps back and watches as we all tear each other to shreads trying to prove we're the biggest meanest dog!
I'm not sure whether to applaud him or decry him.
I'm not sure whether to applaud him or decry him.
I hate the idea of mandatory training,but Ive been around guns and gun people most of my life and there are an awful lot of morons with guns in this country and they do the rest of us a huge disservice.So maybe the solution with these goobers is to step up and tell them to knock that **** off the next time we get swept.
longhorn too
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Yes, training is the name of the game. The more trained in firearms the safer the CCL holder will be.
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I don't care if it's CCW, open carry, or Mexican carry...you want to own a gun, then prove to me and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be "mandatory" when possessing a firearm.
I think you are displaying a certain degree of LEO elitism and "Us vs. the civilians" attitude here. Now you have gotten it down to not just carrying a gun, but simply possessing a gun should require mandatory training. Just how much proof do you suggest? Who do you suggest to be in charge of the mandatory "legal and practical knowledge" education you would require for simply owning and possessing a gun? What kind of government documentation would you require?
Might I also assume from this particular post that you would also favor universal background checks as well as universal registration, just so enforcement authorities can be sure those you deem unqualified can be prevented from acquiring a weapon?
Sounds like it to me.
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MrJT
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Still no replies. I guess they are trying to come up with a way to convince us they'd be OK with having to wait and repay for the test and wait to carry.
"Hmm well gee I guess if it's for the greater good I'd be ok with it. Obviously I shouldn't own a gun if I don't pass the test..."
OR MAYBE..... Maybe they just want OTHERS to have mandatory training.
MrJT
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I don't care if it's CCW, open carry, or Mexican carry...you want to own a gun, then prove to me and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be "mandatory" when possessing a firearm.
Prove to me you have the public speaking training to come on here and spew that nonsensical drivel!
That's one if the most un-American, anti-bill of rights, freedom suppressing BS I've heard!
PROVE TO ME YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS?!
TO OWN A GUN?!
First you prove to us you have the right to freedom of speech.
Looks like another gun control supporter has been revealed.
SW_shooter
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I've been hardly standing by watching, but you can do whatever floats your boat.
10-4 Joe Biden
I propose mandatory training for hot coffee drinkers, since so many wind up spilling the coffee on themselves and costing taxpayers money in medical costs, and lawsuits to businesses. It's just common sense.
Seems to be some feeling that since our rights have already been infringed, what's wrong with a little more infringement.
You are correct sir! Occasionally you fan the flames, poke the bear with a stick, throw gas on the fire, push buttons, cry fire in a crowded forum
I bow to your greatness.
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You are correct sir! Occasionally you fan the flames, poke the bear with a stick, throw gas on the fire, push buttons, cry fire in a crowded forum
I bow to your greatness.
I guess you're done debating the issue then.
keith44spl
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You are correct sir! Occasionally you fan the flames, poke the bear with a stick, throw gas on the fire, push buttons, cry fire in a crowded forum
I bow to your greatness.
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That Ladder 13 sure knows how to get 'em to show their cards, and that's for plum certain.
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