MANDATORY classes for ccw?

[Lost Lake]

+1....We need Sheriff Joe Arpaio's (Maricopa County,AZ) example to be copied on a country-wide basis and at every level (local,state and federal). Put some teeth in "doing time".

Don

Whoa! Hold on, the thread just took a hard turn!!

Absolutely 110% agree.

What kind of message do we send criminals when a thug sticks up a store at gunpoint and we give him 12 months PROBATION?

I've been in prisons (working, not a resident) and these guys got it made! Color TV, private rooms, meals, health and dental, libraries and fitness centers....

And the worst part? They have an ATTITUDE. They don't CARE. They are still cocky and I can just feel they know they will get out and do it again.

Prison should dang near break a man. Make him pay for his crime. Take him down a notch.


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[Poodle Soup]

I find it comical tht you assume these people are religiously following the law now. I don't know where you live, but here, the sort of people who obtain a carry permit represent the most law abiding and safest among us. The people like you've described will carry a gun if they intend to carry a gun. Laws and permits be d@mned.

Using the logic I've read in this thread, you'd think teenage pregnancy and S.T.D.s would no longer exist since we have MANDATORY sex education in public schools.

Some of you are just pulling out small things out of a post and running wild while ignoring everything else. Laws keep those who are afraid of punishment from doing things. Speed limits are great examples of that.

And some do jump through the easy hoops to get a permit and are still idiots, still break the law, and pay the price. Some guy not to long ago got his brain scrambled by a glock thanks to a police officer after carrying to a bar (while high) getting drunk, then getting into a fight.

 

[blujax01]

Agreed, not personally. Or on how they spell, structure a sentence, where they live, etc etc

Amigo, they're slaying the messenger aren't they?

I too am appalled at the poll results but cannot come up with one good reason why you shouldn't have posted it!

My biggest gripe is the smirk on you-know-who's face!

 

[G.T. Smith]

Isn't Mo. an 8 hr. course?

There should be a minimum of time spent in training, such as Missouri is now cracking down on where some permits were certified with only a couple hours in the classroom. There are quite a number of MO CCW holders having their permits suspended until they retake a "approved" class.

The NRA course took 8 hours and included the firing of a revolver and semi automatic. Even though there was only two of us taking it that day, and both of us had been shooting for the better part of 50 years, we still tried to glean all the information put forth. Gun safety is very important to help promote a sport that is sometimes looked upon as questionable.
I thought that Missouri required an 8 hour course. It was fun anyhow. I love blowing up other peoples targets.
Peace,
Gordon

 

[Cal-MI]

The Constitution gives a right to bear, not a right to conceal. Too many folks here mix them up.

 

[zzzippper]

What do these two year old threads rise from the ashes?

Anyone that didn't get training on the legalities and responsibilities is a fool. Every bullet comes with at least one lawyer and there goes your life, dead or alive.

 

[williamlayton]

Why are some here so passionate about not needing training.
Learning to handle a weapon is not by osmosis---neither is driving a car.
Youse guys who are not in favor of training are kinda stuck out in the cold and need to breath deeply and get some oxygen to the brain.
But I love ya ! don't want to be around anybody that has not been trained to handle a weapon or drive a car.
Blessings

 

[Mickey D]

So if you open carry, or don't carry but you own firearms you don't need any safety training? Why would you only require it for concealed carry? Why would you not require for anyone who has a firearm? Why don't they require new mothers to attend baby safety training? How else will they find out not to put peas up the kids nose, or not to put a plastic bag over the kids head?

What ever happened to being responsible for yourself and for the safety of others?

No! Not Mandatory training, but everyone should be trained in my opinion, just not mandatory.

Pete

To address your question in bold above, carrying ccw in public carries a higher degree of awareness than one might be required at home. Things like knowing not to escalate a confrontation, suck up your ego and move on; not be some sort of hero in a commercial robbery incident; learning about situational awareness; Laws and legalities; what happens next after you pull the trigger...
Though many of use see this as common sense, these are some things that need to be taught to non gun enthusiasts.

 

[Eagle 477]

Since this great state of mine requires a lengthily process to obtain a LTC. including a safety course I would like to see a fair amount of range time at least enough that the person next to you knows which end of the barrel the bullet comes out of.. On occasion I have been at the range and some guy or gal next to me after firing a full mag will swing the muzzle to the side covering other shooters and not only check the breach but will also look directly into the barrel.. So Yes I think training should be mandatory

 

[Pete99004]

To address your question in bold above, carrying ccw in public carries a higher degree of awareness than one might be required at home. Things like knowing not to escalate a confrontation, suck up your ego and move on; not be some sort of hero in a commercial robbery incident; learning about situational awareness; Laws and legalities; what happens next after you pull the trigger...
Though many of use see this as common sense, these are some things that need to be taught to non gun enthusiasts.

I agree with your assessment and I agree that I see that as common sense and understand that my perception of common sense and someone elses may be different - but my point was - why only require for CCW - many states have open carry laws so why wouldn't they be required as well and safety classes for those who buy firearms to use at home for self defence, why would they not be required to know basic gun safety rules?

Pete

 

[Pete99004]

Maybe what they should do is make the mfg. of firearms put a coded trigger lock on the gun along with the manual in the box. The manual will have all the required safety information located throughout the manual (as it does now). At the end of the manual, there will be a test of the safety information that is contained within. Each correct response to the test will provide you with a code number that needs to used in sequence to open the trigger lock. That way all firearm purchasers will have to read the safety information (and hopefully retain it) in order to get the firearm unlocked in the first place. Not the end all, but a start to get people to understand that it is extremely important to know how to safely handle a firearm. That way all firearms owners will get some training, not just the CCW owners.

Pete

 

[keith44spl]

Mike,

I support free range time........
With qualified instructors, paid for by the BATF Div. of the IRS with NFA tax stamp and ammunition tax dollars.

I do not support free range chickens....From personal observation of same.

Oh, BTW, please forgive my poor literary skills as well.


Su Amigo,
Dave

 

[Aticus]

I have no opinion to post on this but I just had to post on a two year old thread.

 

[USAF385]

Hey, I remember this thread! It's been a while.....

My opinion has not changed. Mandating training for a right? Absolutely not.

I can't understand how people would want to impose more restrictions on the second amendment.

What about states that don't require a permit for concealed carry? What I infer is that people who think training should be mandatory feel that these states should then be required to only allow carry by permit holders..... and these permit holders must undergo training.

So, that would be going from constitutional carry to permit and training mandated before you get to exercise your God-given / constitutional right.

Yeah, that is a step in the right direction for the second amendment .

 

[vt_shooter]

Here in Vermont we don't need a permit to carry concealed, no training needed, and there doesn't seem to be a problem. Except in the eyes of the liberal transplant anti's who moved here from other states, even though they can site no specific problems in Vermont. I do agree at least 8 hours of training is a good idea, but I would oppose making it a requirement, because as others pointed out, the anti's would leverage the requirement into a way to infringe, as they so grossly did in Massachusetts.

 

[keith44spl]

Gov't training is 'bout as useless as this day-lite savings time....

Kinda like newly mint'd drivers.

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As the ol Chief said, "The gov'mint is the only one that believes you can cut a
foot of'n the top of a blanket, sew it back on to the bottom and have a longer blanket


Dis-claimer;
I am not affiliated with any organized political party......


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[jhnttrpp]

Maybe some should pay a mandatory fee to vote.......ohh some states tried that already.

And a class. American history. Two semesters.