Mauser Broomhandle..value & age?

Using the serial check feature on the one site dates it between 1911-1915.
Masterbuck54

Since the OP did not provide a SN we don't know for sure which hammer and safety is correct. The New Safety started at SN 280000 in November 1915. If the OP's statement above is correct (1911-1915), it seems the old safety is likely to be correct.
 
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M-96 is one of the Chinese imports it is an 8 round model there are both. As to the ammo you have, what does the head stamp say? Most Chinese ammo is copper washed. My Russian ammo came in 16 round packs in pink paper and tied with a string. Beware of ALL Chech military ammo, they made NOTHING low enough pressure to use in a C-96!

Ivan

I gave up on buying ammo. I have FL dies from RCBS and make my brass from 223 cases. If your extractor isn't flush when loaded, it wasn't fit correctly; trim and fit it or use different ammo (your choice). Lyman loading data is safe for all Broomhandles. I use .309 projectiles. With Russian ammo, I got a 4" group (8 shot) at 100 yard using a rest and the shoulder stock (back in the mid 90's when my eyes were younger!)

I pull it out for show and tell every other year or so. I always draw a crowd!
 
Lots of good information here...thanks

Serial # is 158019

I'll have to get the ammo out this weekend and check the head stamp but it seems I'll be looking for some other ammo.

Where does one find the stripper clips?

Also assuming this operates as it should what a ballpark figure on a value?

Masterbuck54
 
There use to be a shop called "The Broom Closet" that sold all things Broomhandle, he a original and repo strip clips. I use US Army M-16 strips with only 8 rounds in them. Use until the end tabs break off and pitch (use 3 or 4 times, cost free). The Mauser clips are of similar design to SKS stripers, but of smaller length and width, they are usable hundreds of times. Cost: In the 90's up to $15 each. Like most surplus items, when a stash is found the cost comes down!

Ivan
 
Lots of good information here...thanks

Serial # is 158019


Masterbuck54

That serial number places it around 1911.

Meaning the safety was probably upgraded by changing the hammer to the new type.

Just out of curiosity. The rifling on the barrel, is it 4 or 6 grooves?

And how is the rifling? Many C96 have very worn rifling due to the use of corrosive primers.

Edit. The one on the top was made in 1911 and has a 6 groove barrel. The ons at the bottom was made in 1910 and it has a 4 groove barrel.

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This goes back nearly 10 years, but I was at a local gun show. There was a woman there with a very nice C96 standing at one of the vendor tables, and she was wanting to sell it. The vendor was giving her the usual shuck and jive about how it was just some old gun, not really worth anything, etc. Without being too obvious, I unsuccessfully tried to get her attention to warn her that she was being taken for a ride. I think he paid her something like $150 for it. I caught up with her a little later to see if she happened to have any other guns, but she didn't. Turned out the C96 had belonged to her dead husband. I didn't tell her how badly she had been had as it was too late to do anything about it.
 
"And how is the rifling? Many C96 have very worn rifling due to the use of corrosive primers."

Ok not much rifling left on this old bird.

Who know how many rounds it seen down the pipe?

Also noticed a slight bulge 3/4 way down the barrel :(

So maybe it will become a wall hanger and see no action??

Should it still be safe to shoot?

Just don't expect any type of accuracy?

I probably should have left it and spent my $$$ on something else.

Live and learn I guess.

Masterbuck54
 
Just out of curiosity. The rifling on the barrel, is it 4 or 6 grooves?
And how is the rifling? Many C96 have very worn rifling due to the use of corrosive primers.

In post #23 I said that they are accurate with good ammo, and I had a 4" 100 yard group using Russian ammo. That is even with the riffling in poor condition! My C-96's barrel has riffling down one portion of the barrel.

Ivan
 
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Ok not much rifling left on this old bird.

Who know how many rounds it seen down the pipe?

Probably not that many. What happened in most cases was that in the early smokeless powder days people thought cleaning the barrel after shooting was no longer so important. The problem was the primer residue. It was higly corrosive then. Half a dozen shots fired were enough to ruin a barrel if it was left without cleaning for a long period of time.


Also noticed a slight bulge 3/4 way down the barrel :(

That is not good.


So maybe it will become a wall hanger and see no action??

It is always an option. But you can also get it rebarreled if you wish(my major concern is the bulge in the barrel not the worn rifling).

Should it still be safe to shoot?

Just don't expect any type of accuracy?

Safe to shoot? Only a close inspection by a gunsmith can tell you that. One that is familiar with the C96.

Expected accuracy? My 1910 still can perform well in that department even with the worn rifling. But not with commercial ammunition. It only shoots accurately with lead bullets sized .312.

The one from 1911 has a perfect bore and is a tack driver.

I probably should have left it and spent my $$$ on something else.

Masterbuck54

Well, your $$$. Your call.:D

I find them fascinating pistols. I don't shoot them much because they both have all matching numbers. And a broken part will reduce their value. But I do shoot with them.

But then. My $$$. My call.:D
 
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Not trying to hijack the thread, but as we have some C96 people aboard, I have a holster that I have been unable to identify. It has no markings, and I suppose it could be civilian or police, but probably not military. It does have some age on it and cannot be of recent manufacture. Does anyone know what it might be?
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Not trying to hijack the thread, but as we have some C96 people aboard, I have a holster that I have been unable to identify. It has no markings, and I suppose it could be civilian or police, but probably not military. It does have some age on it and cannot be of recent manufacture. Does anyone know what it might be?
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I am not an holster guy. Most European military or police holsters would have markings. That said, it looks similar to many German military and police holsters used both in WWI and WWII.

But even some Texas Rangers used the C96. So almost anything goes.

Some of those holsters were even designed to hold the pistol inside the wooden stock.

Not much of a help, sorry.:o
 
Although not marked as such, this is most likely one of the many Broomhandles imported from China in the 70s and 80s. The NS marked hammer does not belong to a frame with the serial number 158019 as your frame was made well before the Neue Safetie was invented. While upper/lower mismatches are not uncommon on US/Euro market guns, a mismatched hammer/frame is not at all normal. However, that is the kind of thing that can be expected from a Chinese market gun.

There is a lot of confusing conflicting information regarding these pistols.

There is (practically) no such thing as a "Chinese reproduction/knockoff" C96. Incredibly rare and desirable Shanxi Arsenal pistols notwithstanding, the overwhelming majority of C96 pistols imported from China are German manufactured guns. China developed an appetite for these pistols after the Treaty of Versailles forbade long-barreled pistols (resulting in the Bolo model Mauser). Germany dumped all of its full-size C96 pistols as quickly as it could. Many of these guns ended up in China, where the detachable stocks made them popular with various groups fighting for control of China. As China homogenized as a Communist state, those guns were collected and became military issue. They remained in service through WW2 and long after.

Throughout this service period, the guns were shot extensively using domestically produced ammunition that was both corrosive and lacking QC, subjected to terrible neglect and fell victim to lazy armorer practices. Parts from different guns got mixed up. From factory, C96s were precision pieces, hand-fitted by Mauser's expert gunsmiths. Swapping parts around willy nilly led to issues.

The C96 is a very reliable gun with a very strong action. However, the badly abused guns imported from China gave it a reputation for being persnickety or even dangerous.

There is also a myth that 7.62 Tokarev ammunition will damage or even blow up a C96. This is the result of a long game of telephone - in fact 7.62 Tokarev and 7.63 Mauser are exactly the same (the Russian naming scheme rounded down to .62, the Germans rounded up to .63; the basic load specs are identical. Broomhandles were popular in Russia, hence the choice of round for the Tokarev pistol.). While these cheap former Chinese C96s were widely available, also available was an enormous supply of surplus Norinco and later Czech 7.62x25mm ammunition. This ammunition was apparently loaded a little on the hot side and, by virtue of Communist QC, occasionally double charged.

Run that ammo in a PPSh and you're fine. Run it in a Tokarev and you'll probably be OK. Run it in an 80 year old Broomhandle built from a random assortment of parts, springs that are worn beyond usefulness and a bolt stop that's probably been on the brink of failure since well before it left China and you are asking for trouble. And so the legend of Broomhandle grenades was born.

Winchester white box 7.62 Tokarev is fine for a Broomhandle, although you may not necessarily get great accuracy out of it as the bullets are smaller than they are supposed to be.

OK, so where does that leave you? Well, if you paid over $1000 for it you overpaid. Otherwise, you did fine.

A slight bulge is probably not a problem by itself as long as the barrel is not cracked, but it does indicate that the gun has been subject to some pretty intense pressures. The proof pill for a C96 exceeds .357 Magnum chamber pressure. If something bulged the barrel, it was much hotter than a .357 Mag, so what did it do to your bolt stop?

I guarantee the springs that are in the gun are no good, so go ahead and get a Service Pak 1 from Wolff: https://www.gunsprings.com/MAUSER/1896-1912 (BROOMHANDLE)/cID1/mID40/dID172

While you have the gun apart to replace the springs, inspect the bolt stop for any signs of peening or cracks. If this part is damaged you should replace it before shooting the gun, because it's all that's keeping the bolt from leaving the barrel extension and coming to say hello to your eyeball.

C96s are very accurate pistols even with worn rifling but with your bulged barrel I wouldn't expect an awful lot. The barrel on the C96 is machined as one piece with the rest of the upper receiver (can you imagine how much that would cost to make today?) but there are options for rebarrelling these. Most commonly, the barrel is cut off and the extension threaded for a Luger barrel.

Alternatively, you can replace the entire barrel extension, but that will not be cheap.

Also, the 8 round Tokarev clips will damage your C96’s clip guide over time. Proper C96 clips are not that expensive so don’t cheap out now.
 
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Thanks for the info

Ok thanks for the info from everyone.

I ordered the spring kit this morning along with stripper clips and two boxes of ammo.

The barrel doesn't appear to be cracked so once I disassemble it I'll look for the peening as well.

I will report out on the accuracy hopefully in a couple weeks.

Unfortunately the fellow who owned this weapon had passed away and a friend was liquidating what he had....I can only assume he or his father shot the gun back in the day.

At $370.00 I decided to take a chance on it.

Masterbuck54
 
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If you need a shoulder stock/holster for it PM me.
 
Ok thanks for the info from everyone.

I ordered the spring kit this morning along with stripper clips and two boxes of ammo.

The barrel doesn't appear to be cracked so once I disassemble it I'll look for the peening as well.

I will report out on the accuracy hopefully in a couple weeks.

Unfortunately the fellow who owned this weapon had passed away and a friend was liquidating what he had....I can only assume he or his father shot the gun back in the day.

At $370.00 I decided to take a chance on it.

Masterbuck54


At $370.00 you did good.:D
 
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