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greeenteeee
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Read about it on sigtalk, etc. You'll get a better idea than a few responses you'll get on this particular thread on this particular forum.
I have a 320 Compact.
However, it may be better to ask in the "Other Brands" forum.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/firearms-knives-other-brands/
However, it may be better to ask in the "Other Brands" forum.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/firearms-knives-other-brands/
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Two words: Indian MIM
spad124
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I have two Sigs, a P226 CPO and a P6. I like the P6 better. SIG makes a good firearm. The P226 bore axis is high. You may also want to try a CZ75 before you make a choice.
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I considered a P320 when they were released. I had already followed the development and eventual release in the US of the P250 and thought the modularity was clever, but didn't feel it would be all that useful to me. Finding out it was a double action only further soured me on it.
My attitude towards the P320 is similar to my attitude towards Apple products in that it is largely formed by my interactions with their most vocal users / "fanbase". Especially since the US mil adopted the P320, their adherents have been pretty insufferable.
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My attitude towards the P320 is similar to my attitude towards Apple products in that it is largely formed by my interactions with their most vocal users / "fanbase". Especially since the US mil adopted the P320, their adherents have been pretty insufferable.
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I have seven Sigs, all in .40S&W, with a few .357 Sig bbls. I only have three S&W autos in .40 S&W, and two revolvers, A 686, and a Mod 57.
Next range trip I will bring my Sig 320, and my M&P 40 to compare them.
Don't hold your breath, I 78 years old and I can barely make it from the parking lot to the liquor department of Stater Bros. liquor department.
Unfortunately, I live in the "Democratic Peoples Repiublic of Kommiefornia"
and I can't buy the hand guns I need!
Next range trip I will bring my Sig 320, and my M&P 40 to compare them.
Don't hold your breath, I 78 years old and I can barely make it from the parking lot to the liquor department of Stater Bros. liquor department.
Unfortunately, I live in the "Democratic Peoples Repiublic of Kommiefornia"
and I can't buy the hand guns I need!
Yes, we are insufferable. Butt some of us are open minded, willing to experiment. With a little gentle massaging, the single action trigger if the Sig will approach that of the 1911, of which I have four.
00 buck
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Yes i have 2
The trigger is great
I also have 2 mp 2.0
IMO THEY ARE TIED IN all aspects....the sig has a 10 trigger the m&p is a 9 IMO
The trigger is great
I also have 2 mp 2.0
IMO THEY ARE TIED IN all aspects....the sig has a 10 trigger the m&p is a 9 IMO
ColbyBruce
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I have owned nineteen Sigs, I still have a dozen and gave my son three. No P320’s but I have had five P250 series which share mags/barrels/grip modules. The modularity is neat, though I rarely swap things around anymore. I have fired P320’s before and after the voluntary upgrades were done. The triggers did not have the same feel as before.
The P320 can be had new for $400.00, but so can the SP2022. The latter is a very nice pistol too.
A few of my Sigs.
The P320 can be had new for $400.00, but so can the SP2022. The latter is a very nice pistol too.
A few of my Sigs.
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Cal44
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Well it's not a P320, but I purchased a P238 a couple weeks ago.
The all stainless steel version.
It's a pocket sized 380 acp.
Very nice. If the P320 is similarly good, you will be happy with it.
I've only gone on one range trip with it, but I shot it better than any new gun I've ever acquired on the first time out.
Seems like a very solid, well made little pistol.
The all stainless steel version.
It's a pocket sized 380 acp.
Very nice. If the P320 is similarly good, you will be happy with it.
I've only gone on one range trip with it, but I shot it better than any new gun I've ever acquired on the first time out.
Seems like a very solid, well made little pistol.
DMcBB
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I don’t own a P320 but I have a pair of P226 pistols (a 9mm SAO with the Romeo red dot and a .40 cal police trade DA/SA). Both have been massaged by Robert Burke (The Sig Armorer | Sig Pistol Trigger & Action Job Specialists) and have fantastic triggers. I liked the P320 I handled at my LGS but I’ve fallen in love with metal framed pistols and haven’t bought a polymer pistol in a while. I’d suggest that you rent one and see how you like it. I love my S&Ws, but I also love my Sigs, my Walthes, my Colts, etc... there’s no reason to limit yourself to one company.
As my Forum name indicates, I own some of each. I have an M&P 40 compact (v1.0) with 12,500 rounds through it. It is my primary carry gun. I also have a P320 compact which has 4,500 9mm rounds through it, and 3,900 .357 SIG rounds through it. I recently rented an M&P 40 4.25" (v2.0). and put 50 rounds through it, so I have that to compare as well.
Reliability: Both my P320 and 40c have been extremely reliable. Between the the two calibers, my P320 has had three failures to eject in 8,400 combined rounds. It will shoot any ammo I feed it. My 40c had one failure to feed, and three FTEs in the first 8,500 rounds. At that point, it started to have light strikes, which earned it a complete overhaul (free) by Smith & Wesson at 10,000 rounds. Since then, I've had only a couple of failures to feed, in each case caused by limp-wristing during one-handed shooting. Like the P320, my 40c will shoot any ammo I feed it.
Accuracy: A virtual tie. In my hands, they are both very accurate out to 20 yards. Although the P320 has a slightly longer barrel (3.9" vs. 3.5"), at 20 yards I'm equally accurate with each. I am more consistently accurate with the 40c, most likely because I have shot it so much more. I've shot them at 25 yards, but my accuracy deteriorates so much with both that I haven't shot either one very often at that distance.
Trigger: Hands down, out of the box, the P320 wins by a huge margin. My 40c's M&P 1.0 trigger was initially awful, with a long, gritty take-up. After 1,000+ rounds, it smoothed out considerably, lightened up a bit, and became pretty decent. My P320's trigger was excellent from the first pull, and it's only gotten better since last year's upgrade, which is now standard on all new P320s. My P320's trigger is very smooth, has almost no takeup, breaks easily at (I'm guessing) 5.5 lbs, and has a very short reset. The trigger on the M&P 2.0 that I recently tested is closer to the P320's than the 1.0, but it is still not as good. The 2.0 I shot was fairly new and not fully broken in, but in comparison to my P320 and 40, its trigger, although smooth, was much stiffer (higher pull weight) than either of my guns. Take-up was shorter than my 40c, but still longer than my P320. The 2.0's trigger is definitely improved, but still is not in P320's class.
Intangibles: The ability to change calibers and sizes while using the same fire control unit is a big plus for the P320. I got bored shooting my 9mm P320 (9mm is boring!), so I converted it to a .357 SIG (.357 SIG is FUN!) using one of SIG's Caliber X-Change Kits, and I haven't looked back. That's harder to do with an M&P, and you can't use a factory barrel if you want a .357 SIG conversion. On the other hand, you can't beat S&W's lifetime service policy. Although my P320 has not required any factory repairs, SIG does charge for replacement parts (like recoil spring assemblies) that S&W sends you for free. If you want a safety on your gun, M&P is the only choice. The P320 has zero safeties, unless you count the recently added "drop safety" that was added as part of the trigger upgrade program. That, combined with a light trigger pull and very short take-up, makes the P320 too risky for me to use as a carry weapon. It's simply too easy to fire. That's why I chose the 40c to carry, and I've never regretted it. As to quality of construction, both my 40c and P320 are stoutly built and have run superbly. If my early model P320 is loaded with shoddy Indian "MIM" parts, it has not been apparent to me in its first 8,400 rounds. Any manufacturer can make a clunker now and then (Ask me about my Shield 9. No, don't.), but as far as I'm concerned, both S&W and SIG have delivered what they promised with these guns.
I hope this helps you with your decision.
Reliability: Both my P320 and 40c have been extremely reliable. Between the the two calibers, my P320 has had three failures to eject in 8,400 combined rounds. It will shoot any ammo I feed it. My 40c had one failure to feed, and three FTEs in the first 8,500 rounds. At that point, it started to have light strikes, which earned it a complete overhaul (free) by Smith & Wesson at 10,000 rounds. Since then, I've had only a couple of failures to feed, in each case caused by limp-wristing during one-handed shooting. Like the P320, my 40c will shoot any ammo I feed it.
Accuracy: A virtual tie. In my hands, they are both very accurate out to 20 yards. Although the P320 has a slightly longer barrel (3.9" vs. 3.5"), at 20 yards I'm equally accurate with each. I am more consistently accurate with the 40c, most likely because I have shot it so much more. I've shot them at 25 yards, but my accuracy deteriorates so much with both that I haven't shot either one very often at that distance.
Trigger: Hands down, out of the box, the P320 wins by a huge margin. My 40c's M&P 1.0 trigger was initially awful, with a long, gritty take-up. After 1,000+ rounds, it smoothed out considerably, lightened up a bit, and became pretty decent. My P320's trigger was excellent from the first pull, and it's only gotten better since last year's upgrade, which is now standard on all new P320s. My P320's trigger is very smooth, has almost no takeup, breaks easily at (I'm guessing) 5.5 lbs, and has a very short reset. The trigger on the M&P 2.0 that I recently tested is closer to the P320's than the 1.0, but it is still not as good. The 2.0 I shot was fairly new and not fully broken in, but in comparison to my P320 and 40, its trigger, although smooth, was much stiffer (higher pull weight) than either of my guns. Take-up was shorter than my 40c, but still longer than my P320. The 2.0's trigger is definitely improved, but still is not in P320's class.
Intangibles: The ability to change calibers and sizes while using the same fire control unit is a big plus for the P320. I got bored shooting my 9mm P320 (9mm is boring!), so I converted it to a .357 SIG (.357 SIG is FUN!) using one of SIG's Caliber X-Change Kits, and I haven't looked back. That's harder to do with an M&P, and you can't use a factory barrel if you want a .357 SIG conversion. On the other hand, you can't beat S&W's lifetime service policy. Although my P320 has not required any factory repairs, SIG does charge for replacement parts (like recoil spring assemblies) that S&W sends you for free. If you want a safety on your gun, M&P is the only choice. The P320 has zero safeties, unless you count the recently added "drop safety" that was added as part of the trigger upgrade program. That, combined with a light trigger pull and very short take-up, makes the P320 too risky for me to use as a carry weapon. It's simply too easy to fire. That's why I chose the 40c to carry, and I've never regretted it. As to quality of construction, both my 40c and P320 are stoutly built and have run superbly. If my early model P320 is loaded with shoddy Indian "MIM" parts, it has not been apparent to me in its first 8,400 rounds. Any manufacturer can make a clunker now and then (Ask me about my Shield 9. No, don't.), but as far as I'm concerned, both S&W and SIG have delivered what they promised with these guns.
I hope this helps you with your decision.
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Only SIG I ever actually bought and kept is a 230, probably the most accurate and shootable .380 ever made.
I have fired many and tried to like the ergonomics that feel just a little off on the newer SIGs. But very good trigger!
If I were still on active duty and was issued a 320, that would be fine. I'm retired, and I will stick with my M&P Pro. If I had neither, it would be tough for me to choose.
I have fired many and tried to like the ergonomics that feel just a little off on the newer SIGs. But very good trigger!
If I were still on active duty and was issued a 320, that would be fine. I'm retired, and I will stick with my M&P Pro. If I had neither, it would be tough for me to choose.
Buy it, try it, make your own decision. I have had three, the full size is gone as I was unhappy with the upgrade trigger reset. The TACOPS and compact RMR are good shooters.
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I have a 320 and am very satisfied. Good gun, easily on par w/ the M&P.
That said, it’ll all come down to user preference, grip, trigger, etc.
That said, it’ll all come down to user preference, grip, trigger, etc.
Erich
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I just bought a new, post recall SIG-Sauer P320 Subcompact 9mm with night sights when I found it on sale delivered to my FFL for $379.99. I wasn't especially interested in another small nine, but for the price, I couldn't pass it up. Especially when the size/caliber exchangability was taken into account.
I like it a good deal. The trigger is different from other triggers I've used, though. Another gun guy who's been shooting striker-fired guns for decades and I couldn't really put our fingers on how, though, but we both agreed it was different. For what it's worth, right out of the box the trigger kinda sucked. It is wearing in pretty well with use - which surprises me, given how SIG-Sauer usually manufactures parts so precisely. (My P938, also bought new at an astonishing bargain price, has a simply delightful trigger - all the more amazing because the thing is truly a pocketable 9x19.) One thing that's undeniable is that the reset is nice and short (and I like that a lot), but it's also not as forceful as I like (if you leave your finger dead on the trigger after firing, the P320's trigger will not encourage it to move forward to the extent a Glock's will). As I said, it's just different and it's going to take some getting used to - but I like the gun enough that I'm about to go carry it on a hike up Bear Canyon.
Anyhow, I flipped the mag release to facilitate my lefty IWB carry and have learned that this gun seems to shoot best with 124-gr +P ammo. Federal HST is what I'm keeping in it, as it did slightly better than Remington Golden Sabers. (Federal's 124-gr +P HST load did M 1124 fps/S 46.27/D 19.23, about 1" low and a decent group. Range was 5950'>sea level and c. 83 degrees F and c. 40% humidity.)
And it shoots fine with the 21-round big stick.
Here are some pix of the gun in comparison to similarly sized guns - sorry, no M&Ps to compare (I've just never been enamored of them).
Anyhow, the trigger is the wild card - try before you buy. The pre-recall (sorry, "voluntary upgrade") trigger is supposed to be no different from the post-recall safe trigger (which is the one you want to buy, as research will show), but every pre-recall trigger I've tried felt notably better than every post-recall one. YMMV.
Have fun and best of luck with whatever you decide.
I like it a good deal. The trigger is different from other triggers I've used, though. Another gun guy who's been shooting striker-fired guns for decades and I couldn't really put our fingers on how, though, but we both agreed it was different. For what it's worth, right out of the box the trigger kinda sucked. It is wearing in pretty well with use - which surprises me, given how SIG-Sauer usually manufactures parts so precisely. (My P938, also bought new at an astonishing bargain price, has a simply delightful trigger - all the more amazing because the thing is truly a pocketable 9x19.) One thing that's undeniable is that the reset is nice and short (and I like that a lot), but it's also not as forceful as I like (if you leave your finger dead on the trigger after firing, the P320's trigger will not encourage it to move forward to the extent a Glock's will). As I said, it's just different and it's going to take some getting used to - but I like the gun enough that I'm about to go carry it on a hike up Bear Canyon.
Anyhow, I flipped the mag release to facilitate my lefty IWB carry and have learned that this gun seems to shoot best with 124-gr +P ammo. Federal HST is what I'm keeping in it, as it did slightly better than Remington Golden Sabers. (Federal's 124-gr +P HST load did M 1124 fps/S 46.27/D 19.23, about 1" low and a decent group. Range was 5950'>sea level and c. 83 degrees F and c. 40% humidity.)
And it shoots fine with the 21-round big stick.
Here are some pix of the gun in comparison to similarly sized guns - sorry, no M&Ps to compare (I've just never been enamored of them).
Anyhow, the trigger is the wild card - try before you buy. The pre-recall (sorry, "voluntary upgrade") trigger is supposed to be no different from the post-recall safe trigger (which is the one you want to buy, as research will show), but every pre-recall trigger I've tried felt notably better than every post-recall one. YMMV.
Have fun and best of luck with whatever you decide.
