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milling a Shield Recomendations?
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and there's the answer. Thanks
You might want to look into the shield rms sight.It is being used by the Brits and there Commonwealth brothers in arms.It is supposed to fit the same footprint as a jpoint.It also has the advantage of replacing battery without removing from weapon.I think it might need suppressor sights to cowitness but I am not sure about that.One of those companies you were looking at to do the milling sells them and is very knowledgeable about them.
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I'm pretty sure the Shield still has to be removed...I think the battery is on the bottom. The shield is a better sight with upgraded electronics, from my research. I had a store credit with Amazon, that I wanted to use, so I had to go with the Jpoint, the Shield isn't available anywhere on Amazon. I am pleased with the Jpoint so far though. I got the dot circle, which is a fantastic reticle for self defense.
Yes I went through Galloway, and I am very happy with their service and the quality of their work. Their turnaround time was 1 week including the shipping both ways (I sent it next day, they sent it back standard 2 day) The Jpoint fits like a glove, and it sits deep enough that I get a true cowitness with the standard sights.
"..... I got the dot circle, which is a fantastic reticle for self defense."
Trust me, Steved, in an actual self defense situation, you're not going to see or acquire the sight, much less place that little circle on anything.
Trust me, Steved, in an actual self defense situation, you're not going to see or acquire the sight, much less place that little circle on anything.
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Thanks for the update Steved13. The work on your pistol looks good to me.
Anyone know if the Shield RMS is sold by anyone in the U.S?
Anyone know if the Shield RMS is sold by anyone in the U.S?
I bought a Shield RMS (Reflex Mini Sight) from Suarez International last month and had them mill my S&W Shield slide and mount it. The work looks very good, but I believe they have stopped working on S&W guns.
SI gets the Shield RDS sights from England in small batches, apparently. They often appear on backorder, but I believe they get shipments about 1x month. I don't know who else is importing them now. Brownells pops up on a Google search but then does not list them.
The Shield Sight is an upgraded J-Point with the same footprint. The Shield sight's narrower footprint also attracted me as I did not want to have an RDS hanging off both sides of my slide. Compared to the J-Point, it is more robust and has better electronics, at a higher price. I got the 4 MOA version. There is also an 8 MOA. I prefer the smaller dot for better accuracy.
It does have a side-mount battery compartment that does not require the sight to be removed from the slide for battery replacement. It appears the dot has a brightness auto adjust feature that actually works well without getting either too bright nor too dim.
My standard height Ameri Glo night sights barely co-witness through the bottom of the screen. I cannot find any taller "suppressor" sights for the Shield pistol, but if there are some, they would probably be too high since the bases on other RDS are taller than the Shield (or J-Point) sight.
I will be ordering the Heine Straight Eight Night Sights to replace my current sights, as the Ameri Glo orange front sight with the big circle is too wide for me. Heine has a narrow tritium vial (no extra ring) front sight with a wide rear notch.
I have my slide, but SI is doing a grip enhancement for my frame, so I have not yet shot it. I am also waiting on a threaded barrel because . . . I want it. Apex parts installed over a year ago. I'll post pictures in another thread when the project is complete and I can display a holey target. Amen.
ETA: Sorry for the hijack, Steved13. I think your project has turned out great and I hope it meets your needs. Best of luck--and skill.
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Thanks for the correction, I remember the side battery now...I don't like posting bad info, so I appreciate the correction.
If you haven't already, check out Dawson Precision they have a very wide selection of sights and in different heights. Not all of their sights are available in every height though, but they may have a workable compromise. I think it is more about how deep they can mill the slide on the M&P Shield, even more then the low profile of the Jpoint/Shield.
I'm looking forward to seeing your project...if you get a chance post a pic of what you have done...I'd like to see it.
No hijack, project is done, so the OP is moot
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Thanks CB3. Would love to see your project gun when you are ready to share it.
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When I posted this question, that CB3 answered for me, thank you, I also posted the question on the Shield website.
Today I received an email from Shield with this:
"Thank you very much for your enquiry.
You can order direct from us in the UK from our web site
SHIELDPSD – Shoot Early
We can ship with no problems to the US
Best regards
Ken Savill
Shield Sights Limited"
So, there you have it. One can order these directly from the company in the UK.
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I wouldn't order their sight for this one reason:
I took this straight off their website. I don't know about the other brands, but Trijicon has always made their own optics and made them in the US. I don't claim to know everything there is to know about Trijicon, but this claim is suspect at the very least.
The Truth about Guns:
New From SHIELD: SIS and RMS Sights, Battery Mount, and JPoint Slim Mount - The Truth About Guns
The first Trijicon red dots were made by Shield, according to this article (and the Shield website).
The Trijicon website history shows their first mini red dot sight appearing in 2007. It looks exactly like the Shield SMS, including that it was made of polymer, not the current aluminum.
History - Trijicon, Inc.
Community - What's New - Trijicon, Inc.
I doubt a major manufacturer of RDS would make a claim like this that is completely false, at least not without getting sued.
Shield has made and continues to make many different models, both under their own branding and others. This does not indicate their products are inferior, except where they have made budget items because of customer demand.
I will report here in another thread on the performance of the Shield MRDS I have on my S&W Shield when I get my frame back and can test it. The reviews I have read on this, their latest model, have been positive. However, nothing compares to the quality or price of the current Trijicon RDS's, but their footprint is too large to put on compact guns.
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If you click this link, and then click the FAQ that reads "My reddot is not illuminated, what should I do?" Compare the pic of the Trijicon Reddot to a Jpoint (Made by shield) and you will see they look identical.
From piecing together what CB3 posted, and this pic I am posting...I think your confusion may lay, in that you're thinking the Shield site, is speaking of "Trijicon Red Dots" and they are speaking of a particular (older model) called the Trijicon Reddot.
(FAQ) Frequently Asked Questions About Trijicon RedDot™ - Trijicon, Inc.
okiegtrider
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They sure look the same to me.
Trijicon RedDot
JPoint
I'm enjoying this reflex sight discussion. I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a milling job and sight purchase. All this back and forth about these thing is helpful.
Trijicon RedDot
JPoint
I'm enjoying this reflex sight discussion. I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a milling job and sight purchase. All this back and forth about these thing is helpful.
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IMHO they are a great addition. I was getting very discouraged with my eyesight, not being able to do much of anything out past 10 yards, and even then I should stay within 5 for decent results...and even within 5 the target wasn't very clear. Now I can challenge myself out further, and shooting has become more enjoyable.
I originally caught on to the idea of a red dot, watching some of Jerry Miculak's videos, and he was talking about his vision and how the red dot has helped him, and then I learned more about it from there, and found it was my solution also.
A couple of weeks ago They had a 3 gun competition from Vegas on TV, and Jerry had a mishap and wound up in the elimination round with 2 other guys (Usually its one on one, but I think the other 2 guys tied so it was a three way). In the elimination round they have to all shoot the same guns, that are provided, and have iron sights. Beforehand Jerry spoke to the camera about his apprehension of using guns other than his own. He out shot the other 2 (much younger) guys by quite a bit. Afterwards, he commented on the opening rifle shots, it was interesting seeing double out there and aiming in the middle of the two. You gotta love Jerry.
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A friend was good enough to loan me his RMR equipped G23 for few days.
Have spent a fair amount of time in the last week practicing presentation from the holster and dry firing.
Using one of these sights is certainly different, but I think I can learn this.
Had a couple trips to the range with it now and have increased my comfort with this sight considerably.
I have decided to take the plunge and buy an RM 06 and have my slide milled to accommodate it.
These are my last two targets today. 7yds, rapid fire. This is working for me.
Steved13 gave me the benefit of his trials with reflex sights both here on the board and over the phone.
Rastoff gave me some input about reflex sights in a pm conversation. Thank you both, helped me make my decision.
Have spent a fair amount of time in the last week practicing presentation from the holster and dry firing.
Using one of these sights is certainly different, but I think I can learn this.
Had a couple trips to the range with it now and have increased my comfort with this sight considerably.
I have decided to take the plunge and buy an RM 06 and have my slide milled to accommodate it.
These are my last two targets today. 7yds, rapid fire. This is working for me.
Steved13 gave me the benefit of his trials with reflex sights both here on the board and over the phone.
Rastoff gave me some input about reflex sights in a pm conversation. Thank you both, helped me make my decision.
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okiegtrider
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C.O.R.E. Shield SMS equipped from S&W
Check this out: Performance Center(R) Ported M&P(R)9L Red Dot Sight | Smith & Wesson
Don't know how long this has been out there as a factory offering, but interesting nonetheless.
Check this out: Performance Center(R) Ported M&P(R)9L Red Dot Sight | Smith & Wesson
Don't know how long this has been out there as a factory offering, but interesting nonetheless.
okiegtrider
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Didn't see it on the Lone Wolf website, but this article says they are getting into the game with milling the Shield for a reflex sight.
Lone Wolf Distributors: Customize Your S&W Shield! - SHOT Show 2017 - GunsAmerica Digest
Lone Wolf Distributors: Customize Your S&W Shield! - SHOT Show 2017 - GunsAmerica Digest
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I really like my JPoint on my Pro Series CORE, truly a tack driver.
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