Mini14 advice

I purchased the first SS Mini that hit the Albany area way back when. Its been a good dependable reasonably accurate gun. At first I installed a folding stock but when draconian gun laws came in I put the original stock back on.

The only other thing I did to it was to go a few drill sizes bigger in the peep sight. Heck your eyes take center anyway so this made it a bit faster to get to a shooting solution.

We get a bad SHTF situation up here and my wife will have this handy and I will go with its sort of bigger brother a M1A in .308.
 
Just be sure you get the 580 series

Read my post above. You can get the pencil barrels Mini 14s and Ranch rifles to shoot just as well as the 58X series rifles, with an Accu Strut, a Choate flash hider, and a gas port bushing, all for under $200.

You'll find that used 58x series Mini 14 will cost you a lot more than $200 over the price of a pencil barrel Mini 14, so I would not rule out an early Mini 14 that you can find for $300-$400 when a used 58x Mini 14 will run close to $700 in the same condition.

I also prefer the looks of the earlier Mini 14s and with an accu strut they actually start to look more like a "mini" M14.


1. Magazines are more expensive.

2. The 20 round factory ones are the only reliable ones. Even factory 30s are hit or miss.

3. Less customizable than AR.

4. Less accurate than AR.

5. Not field repairable. She breaks, send her back to Ruger.

6. Not as tacticool as AR


I had one for years. I never shot it for fun. It was a utility truck gun. I sold it 2 years ago to fund a 6920 and don't miss it a bit.

1. Magazines are more expensive new, but they were also widely used in law enforcement and show up in shops as surplus for around $20 each, usually in new or minty looking condition.

Mini 14 Magazines are however also much more durable than AR-15 magazines. The feed lips don't get bent as is the case with aluminum AR-15 magazines.


2. I agree with you that the Ruger factory magazines are the only magazines you'll find that function reliably.


3. The AR-15 is much more customizable than a Mini 14, but that's both a feature and a bug for the AR-15.

I used to shoot tactical rifle competitions and I've used three different AR-15s. One was an XM177E2 near clone (it has a heavy under the handguards barrel for better accuracy at high rates of fire). It's short, still light, and very well balanced, and accurate enough out to about 200-250 yards.

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The second was a 16" lightweight carbine with a short, fixed entry stock and small M16 esque hand guards. It was very light, very fast handling and accurate enough out to 200 yards.

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The third was basically one of my M16 or M16A1 clones. There was a lot to love about the original design. It could (and still can) rapidly and accurately engage torso sized targets out to 400 yards, while still being light and handling well. If the course of fire involved longer shots, it was the go to AR-15.

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Note the common denominator here is that none of these are tarted up with a rail and 3 pounds of tactical-cool garbage on them. It's all too common to see someone show up with what started out as a light and handy M4gery and ended up being 10 pounds of over weight slow, poorly balanced carbine that had all the weight related negatives of a larger rifle, plus all the negatives that come with a short barrel.

In short that customizability often makes them worse and it encourages people who don't know better to add lots of useless stuff that doesn't apply to the mission at hand.

Also note that a properly set up Mini 14 will shoot just as well as the M16/M16A1 style Colt AR-15 with the same accuracy and better reliability.

4. Saying the Mini 14 is less accurate than an AR-15 depends on the Mini 14 and on the AR-15.

As noted above two of my three pencil barrel AR-15s are consistent 5 shot group, 1.5 MOA rifles with 55 gr FMJBT ammo (in my case generally hand loaded Hornady 55 gr FMJBT at M193 velocity), and the third is a solid 5 shot group 2 MOA rifle.

In comparison I have a 1-9 twist 20" bull barrel varmint AR that is about 1 MOA with 55 gr FMJs and 1/2 MOA with 52 or 53 grain match bullets.

I also have a 1-8 twist AR-15 set up as a service match rifle and it's a solid 3/4 MOA rifle with 68 gr and 75 grain match bullets.

In that regard, yes, those AR-15s are more accurate than a Mini 14.

Then I have the above mentioned M16 and M16A1 clones that are equal in accuracy to my Mini 14s.

However, I also have an M4gery and a couple light weight carbines in .223 that vary between 2 MOA and 4 MOA. They are for the most part not as accurate as my pencil barrel Mini 14s, or the current 58x series Mini 14.


5. I agree, the Mini 14 is less user repairable than an AR-15. At least in theory as I have never managed to break anything on a Mini 14. I can't say that about the AR-15.

So the question to consider is whether it's better to have an AR-15 that breaks and can be user repaired, or have a Mini 14 that never breaks in the first place.

A further consideration is that the the AR-15 will fail to function under conditions where the Mini 14 won't. Low crawl through sand mulch or bits of bark for 100 yard with each and then tell me which one still shoots without having to clean it.

6. Agreed. But that's a bug not a feature. It's also one of the major reasons the Mini 14 is on the exempt list of almost all ban legislation while the AR-15 is not, even though the Mini 14 has a higher cyclic rate and can be converted to a binary trigger with just an office staple.
 
I have a 580 series which is one of the newer ones. I put a VX-2 (1-4x) Leopold scope on it.

My impressions;

It needed a trigger job. Did that.

It needed a new gas bushing to reduce the high velocity ejections. Did that.

It needed a sling. Did that.

Mine has never had any issue with extraction or feeding. Probably has 2K rds thru it. Extremely reliable.

Accuracy is probably somewhat less than an AR of equal value, but not much. I think about 3-4 MOA which is plenty good for a carbine. If you expect more you may be disappointed. 4 MOA was the standard for the M1 carbine in WW2 which the Mini-14 resembles in many ways.

Barrels get hot pretty fast and groups open up. Probably because .223 is a 3000 fps cartridge. I've noticed that mine became more accurate with use. Barrels seem to be hard to break in so be prepared for that.

In summary, they're a very good alternative to an AR. There is no issue with gas residue in the bolt carrier because it uses an op rod like an M1 instead of a gas tube.
 
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Mine is an Old Ranch Rifle, with a Vortex red dot sight and a barrel strut. Put some TECH sights on it. I just love it, can pull the trigger all day long with out any failures. I use 20 rounds factory magazines, and TAPCO 30 rounds, they all work really good.
 

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I have an older ranch rifle. I did do a trigger job on it which it really needed. It isn’t a match target rifle, but I like the way it looks and feels. It has always been reliable. You do not want to be on the right side of one at the firing line. It ejects brass with enthusiasm. All I’m all, it is a really neat rifle.
 
I have an older ranch rifle. I did do a trigger job on it which it really needed. It isn’t a match target rifle, but I like the way it looks and feels. It has always been reliable. You do not want to be on the right side of one at the firing line. It ejects brass with enthusiasm. All I’m all, it is a really neat rifle.

You can change the bushing in the gas block to suit your ammo and preference for how far you want your rifle to sling brass. Mine only goes about 5 feet. The bushings come in a 4 pack of different diameters and it took me about 15 minutes to change the factory bushing. The factory bushings are small and will sling brass into the next county. People complain and brass is lost.
 
Thanks for all feedback now to locate one!

I bought a new Ranch .556 2 1/2 years ago. It came with two twenty round mags, scope rings and a rail. I've since bought a couple of thirty round mags. I opened it up and cleaned and lubed it and still I haven't found the time to get it out and shoot it.

What do you think something like that would fetch these days?
 
I have two, a stainless Ranch from about 1985, and an older blued standard from the late 70's. They are superbly reliable rifles, only way they won't function is with a total dud round of ammo. But target rifle accuracy? No, not really. Typical groups with most ammo is 3 inches or so at 100 yards, some better, some worse, but they're still "minute of coyote". And yes, they can be made to shoot much better, but usually at considerable expense. I read somewhere that the best way to make a Mini-14 more accurate is to sell it, and buy an AR-15. Not far wrong, but I'll keep my Mini's, I just like them.
 
I don’t own an AR few long guns I do have are principally hunting guns Savage 22mag and Savage 243 throw in few shotguns handguns always kept my attention that being said I just like the looks of the mini14 I’ve had some say it’s fantastic and then others say opposite so looking for owners to let me know experience with them. Thanks not looking to trick out just want a dependable semi rifle not for hunting not allowed in state. Yes I looked not easy task to find anything currently.
The Mini 14 is a fine rifle designed along the lines of the Garand action with a reverse gas system in that the piston is fixed and the cylinder moves with the operating slide.
The big issue with Mini 14s is that Ruger thought it would be cute to use a pencil thin barrel that whips around forward of the gas port, resulting in "patterns" rather than "groups."

Recent models have sought to fix this by having a thicker barrel extending past the gas port and it seems to work well enough based on reports.

The REAL problem with the Mini 14 versus AR pattern rifle is that anyone can assemble an AR rifle in their garage or shop, but not so with the classically built Mini 14! Was a time the Mini 14 was "cheap" to acquire and the Colt ARs were outrageously expensive, but today it's the opposite.

About 30 years ago I "corrected" the accuracy problem on my Mini 14 by adding RTV silicone sealant inside the cam track of the operating slide so as to cause the closed slide to place pressure on the operating lug of the bolt. This simple "fix" eliminated the pressure normally placed against the gas take-off block up front which cause the pencil thin barrel to be torqued "up", then suddenly snap down as the gun fired and the bullet passed the gas port, creating an exaggerated whipping motion. Before the sealant, 100 yard groups were around 8-10 inches...they made AK groups look high tech! After the fix, groups shrunk remarkably down to 3-4"!

Also, since that time, barrel braces have come onto the market where a brace is bolted to the barrel to create a cantilever that prevents the barrel whipping unpredictably. That, plus my DIY RTV solution has made my Mini 14 as accurate as any garden variety AR pattern rifle.

The Mini 14 has not benefitted from all the consumer-driven aftermarket adaptations as has the AR pattern rifle, but it does have it's pluses, such as being compact, simple and reliable.
 
I see this thread is a year old, but I will add a reply to share my experience for anybody who is doing a search on Mini 14's. I first shot one belonging to a friend maybe 30 years ago. Liked it, but didn't buy one even though back then, if memory is correct, you could get them on sale for $399. Shot one belonging to another friend maybe 20 years ago. Still liked it, but still didn't buy one. Couldn't see any use for it.

Last summer, during all the civil unrest, I started thinking about getting one. Friend #1 had long since sold his, and advised me to get an AR. Told him I didn't want an AR. Friend #2 still his has, said he never shoots it, but wouldn't sell, for the same reason I was looking to buy.

So I bit the bullet and bought a new stainless Ranch rifle, model 5802, at my LGS for $930. I bought two 30 round Ruger mags from them. They had no 20 round mags, but I found two Ruger mags at a farm store an hour away, and immediately drove over and bought both.

Tested all four mags. No problem hitting the middle of a torso target at 100 years, which is all I required. I haven't shot it since, but it's here if I need it.
 
For those of you with accuracy problems with a MINI...and who doesn't, try an Ultimak Scout Scope Mount...

Bought a stainless/synthetic Mini-30 and it would run 3+ moa and also walk right off a paperplate size targt at 100 yards...always to the b0:00 o'clock position. And didn't return to zero when it cooled down. Was about to sell it when I read about the Ultimak scope mount and tried one...could not be happier.

Problem with the Mini, just like it's parent M14, there are too may pressure points on the barrel so when the gun warms up the barrel warps. This is no big deal if one is using open sights but with a receiver mounted scope, the receiver and scope keep locked on the target as the barrel heads elsewhere...

With the mount/scope clamped to the barrel, as the barrel heats up, the scope just rides along with it still looking at the target...

1) Mini 30 with Chief AJ muzzle break

2) 10 rounds sitting with a sling at 100 yards (no clue why the low round as it broke just like the others)

3) 5 rounds from the bench at 200 (moved the scope the wrong way while sighting in)

4) 3 rounds sitting with sling at 200

..worked for me...YMMV...

Bob
 

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