Mis quote of hollow point law in proposed NJ legislation

[auburn2]

Keep in ind in NJ what the law acually says is not as important as the feelings of the local Gestapo. They recently arrested a guy for having hollow point 7.62x39 in his house. Confiscated the ammo and guns.

If you read the law, possesson in one home is clearly legal but they arrested him anyway. I'm sure the charges were probably dropped eventually but I'm also sure he had legal bills and won't be getting his guns or bulets back and he probably had to sign a statement saying he wouldn't sue for unlawful arrest before charges were dropped (normal practice in the PRNJ).

The Cheif of Police (who is probably a mobster himself) gets a big popularity boost for being "tough on crime" and pushing the limits in "going after gun owners".

 

[M2MikeGolf]

this **** reminds me of Germany 1933.....

Or even currently.

 

[Tom Beavert]

Orig. posted by Arik
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This is why when I go to Jersey make sure I have NOTHING remotely resembling firearm accessories. Their laws are extremely retarted "

Why would anyone go there, much less stay there for any length of time?
tb

 

[jdayer]

This is a stupid law, probably based on the Brady and HCI, or whatever they call themselves these days, propaganda about "cop killer" bullets being made by shoving a steel BB into the nose of a Hollow Point bullet.
Ladder13 made an interesting point about FMJ and solid bullets used for hunting big game. How many cops have actually been shot with the Brady Cop Killer bullets? Or solid bronze bullets? That would be an interesting statistic.
This sounds like a "preemptive" law as opposed to a "reactive" law. Most laws are reactive, we make them up after something we don't like happens. Sometimes people make up laws based on what they think may happen.
I believe this is because, in the United States, anything not specifically intended to be illegal is legal.
I wonder if, based on the statistics and the intent of the constitutional framers, preemptive laws could be challenged based on the basic constitutional idea that under article 10 of the Bill of Rights, essentially "if it ain't illegal then it is legal" preemptive laws are designed to ignore the intent of article 10. My understanding of the article is that rights should not be taken away without some cause which is why the vast majority of laws are reactive rather than preemptive.
The Supreme Court flocked to a single framer, Jefferson, when it used the term "separation of Church and State" from Jefferson's letter to a Baptist Minister. From my reading quite a few of the framers, including Jefferson, favored reactive legislation in order to maintain individual freedoms.
Any how, dumb law. I've only been through NJ a couple times. Glad I didn't stop.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Orig. posted by Arik
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Why would anyone go there, much less stay there for any length of time?
tb

Fair question

Q. Why stay in New Jersey?

A.

1) My Family is in New Jersey;
2) My guns are in New Jersey;
3) It's only a one hour drive to my gun club in Pennsylvania
4) If I lived in a state that let me buy a Smith & Wesson anytime I wanted I would be broke.

 

[badge]

If you must travel through the Soviet Republic of N.J. I suggest this,... if you can legally carry that is. I generally use revolvers with lead semi wadcutter ammo or a 10 shot semi auto with Pow R Ball ammo. I hate it but there aint no constitution on the side of the road.

 

[nipster]

Does the federal allowance for travellers driving from state to state override this ridiculous local law? I would hate to forget to pull over before entering NJ and switch my weapons to FMJ just to be legal.

 

[PDL]

Does the federal allowance for travellers driving from state to state override this ridiculous local law? I would hate to forget to pull over before entering NJ and switch my weapons to FMJ just to be legal.

For most people, the answer is NO. In the case of hollow cavity bullet; LEO's with the proper CC identification can now have hollow points in their guns. They probably won't be bothered by NJ LEO's, ordinary citizens would be arrested. Hornady critical defense, powerball, and that federal ammo with the enclosed rubber are the 3 types that can be used since they actually don't have a 'hollow cavity'.

In general NJ doesn't recognize the FOPA. If you're traveling on a plane and the guns locked away for the time you're in NJ it's OK. Otherwise they choose to interpret the FOPA in a way that will put you in jail. If you've got a firearm, unloaded and locked in the trunk and you don't stop in NJ, you may not get into trouble. If you stop for the night and bring the gun into the room etc., you're in violation of NJ laws. If your plane has a layover and you take your cased gun to the hotel with you you'll be arrested when you try to check in for your continuing flight.

There is a bill currently in the house of representative specificly to address NY and NJ's refusal to accept the will of congress regarding the FOPA.

 

[Artichoke]

I love living in the north west. Reasonable gun laws.

 

[PDL]

Does the federal allowance for travellers driving from state to state override this ridiculous local law? I would hate to forget to pull over before entering NJ and switch my weapons to FMJ just to be legal.

Forgot to mention that you'd better take another look at the federal Firearms Owners Protection Act. It requires the guns to be unloaded.

Firearm Owners Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[hudsonvalley]

A BB rifle is considered a shotgun in New Jersey by law....nuff said