Last of the Mohicans
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In looking around on a Canadian forum, I have come across a 2" 12-2, that has caught my eye. I'm wondering what folks here can tell me about this particular wheel gun.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Model 12-2?
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Kernel Crittenden
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It's a .38 Spl K-frame with an aluminum alloy frame, six-shot, fixed sights, exposed DA/SA hammer. Great carry gun, compared to a J-frame it has an "extra" round, is only a little bigger, but still light weight because of the AL frame. The M13 is the same gun in .357 Mag.
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Avoid heavier types of loads in a Model 12 so you don't crack anything.
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The M13 is NOT the same gun in .357 Mag. There was a military M13 Aircrewman in .38 Spl, and, more recently, there was a Model 13 STEEL revolver in .357 Mag.
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Last of the Mohicans
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Okay, this is something I was wondering about. My current pet load for .38spl is 3.5gr of Titegroup behind a 158 LSWC. I can't recall if it's considered a +P load or not...I'll have to check my manual again.
Another question, as a 12-2, it has a steel cylinder, does it not?
I'm thinking of buying it, so it would be shot regularly and not carried...because well, this is Canada, and the authorities take a dim view of such things.
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Be sure to carefully inspect the area under where the barrel attaches to the frame for a hairline crack in the frame. Not an uncommon problem on this model.
Doug M.
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IIRC, Saxon Pig did a lot of shooting of an M12-(something) with +P rated ammo and had no issues. Again, IIRC, that would be a steel cylinder on a 12-2. The erroneous statement about the M13(s) was corrected above.
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Ah, okay, thanks. I will have to ask the seller to check that for me.
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A forum member tested one of these with a ton of +P and couldn't damage it. If you search you can probably find the thread. If it's a nice gun and it were mine, I would stick to standard loads. It is an alloy frame.
Kernel Crittenden
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Right. Brain was out-to-lunch. Is it safe to say the M13 a fixed sight version of the M19?
Is it safe to say the M13 is a fixed sight version of the M19?
Yes. Except I think that the ejector rod is not shrouded.
Yes. Except I think that the ejector rod is not shrouded.
Frank237
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The M-12's also had a slightly different set of grips didn't they?? i recall hearing that standard RB K grips didn't fit.
NOT near my S&N book to check.
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NOT near my S&N book to check.
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The dreaded frame cracked so frequently discussed was caused by barrels being over torqued at the factory. As the previous poster mentioned, you do not have to worry about shooting and wearing the gun out. If the gun has been fired a hundred times and shows no crack, in all likelyhood it will go thousands of rounds and never have a problem.
they are a joy to shoot and easy to carry.
they are a joy to shoot and easy to carry.
ironhead7544
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True. I have a 4 inch blue Model 12-3. It has a narrow frame and wont take regular grips. The 12-4 version has the full sized frame.
My 12-3 is a round butt and conceals nicely. I think +P is OK for carry. Or get the Buffalo Bore standard pressure 158 gr load.
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Last of the Mohicans
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As far as I can tell, the grips are the smaller, K-frame type found on many a Model 10, and it does indeed wear a steel cylinder.
The seller has stated that it has had a good number of mild loads through it, so I am assuming that it has no frame crack. Unfortunately he lives 3 time zones over, so an up close and personal look is out of the question. However, he has both an extensive and impeccable trading record on the site, so if the answer to my question about the crack is good, then I think I will be adding on to my revolver stable.
The seller has stated that it has had a good number of mild loads through it, so I am assuming that it has no frame crack. Unfortunately he lives 3 time zones over, so an up close and personal look is out of the question. However, he has both an extensive and impeccable trading record on the site, so if the answer to my question about the crack is good, then I think I will be adding on to my revolver stable.
Doug M.
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The military designated "M13" (Aircrewman) is NOT the S&W model # 13; I think (don't quote me) it became the S&W M12 when numbers were adopted in 1957.
The S&W M13 is more in the nature of a beefed up M10, and in fact IIRC the first ones were marked as 10-6 but chambered in .357 and beefed up a bit to deal with the .357. There have been several strings about that period where people who actually know (as opposed to relying on my memory) have described the events.
The S&W M13 is more in the nature of a beefed up M10, and in fact IIRC the first ones were marked as 10-6 but chambered in .357 and beefed up a bit to deal with the .357. There have been several strings about that period where people who actually know (as opposed to relying on my memory) have described the events.
george_lehr
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And the M13 has the heavy barrel.
