Jgrub75
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There is a nice one on gun broker now. Here is the link
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=177994531
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=177994531
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Model 19... should I do it?
- Thread starter W Fargo
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W. Fargo, I don't know what other handguns you have, but if you want another S&W and don't already have a Model 27, let me be the first to recommend such. It's the Rolls Royce of Smithy's (I would have said Cadillac but I don't know what you fellows think of Caddy's).
I would look for a three & a half inch barrel or five inch, and see what you think of the feel, balance, checkered topstrap, and fine trigger action. They are real beauties! Just something to think about.
BTW, how much ammo can you guys keep on hand? Is it safe to assume it can't be defense ammo? Are there any popular calibres you can't own?
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W Fargo
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Hey MP1983,
Yes, the 27 is indeed a beautiful revolver. You see them from time to time as well overhere in the Netherlands. it's actually one of the revolvers I was looking at before I saw a model 19 and hopped on that bandwagon.
Overhere in the Netherlands we may have up to 10.000 rounds at home. Primers count also as rounds. This is arranged in gun-laws, of course, but for example with gunpowder, that's laid down in environmental laws. I can't realy recall how much nitro powder we can have, but we can only have one kilo of blackpowder because of risk of explosion.
With regards to defensive rounds, we can purchase any kind of bullet, although you will not see them often, simply because we cannot use our guns for self defence. It's sportshooting only. We have to keep our guns and ammunition seperate but in gunsafes at home and we may only transport our weapons from home to gunrange, gunsmith/shop, police station, matches at other ranges. When we tranport them they must be properly "stowed" in bag/case and there may be no rounds in magazine/cilinder/etc.
So unless we run into aggressive bowling pins or targets at the range, there is no use for defensive rounds.
We can own almost all types of ammunition except for .50 bmg (and a few other large bore rifle calibers) and 25 acp. Simply because we don't have enough space here for .50bmg and .25acp is simply not a sport shooting round (according to our Shooting Association. Others may think different).
Further more we can only own guns which fall into a shooting-discipline which can be trained/shot at the range which you are a member of. Our shooting association has banned magnum ammunition for their shooting disciplines, but because you can shoot .38 special and .44 special you can own those types of revolvers. There is however another possibility to own guns which shoot magnum ammunition and that is to become a member of the Silhouette organisation, which is accepted by our Dutch Shooting Association.
Still you will see lots and lots of Desert Eagles, S&W 500 mags and .460's here in Holland and the owners are not member of the Silhouette organisation. That is because if we want to purchase a gun we must ask permission from the "board" of our Gun range. They will fill in the form which we then have to take local police dept. There, after a thorough check, you will receive the permit to purchase the gun. The police however are not responsible for verifying if the gun you request to purchase falls into a discipline which you can shoot at your range. That's the responsibility of the "board" of your range. So if they make a mistake or simply aren't too nitpicky regarding the rules, you might get a Desert Eagle .50 AE approved when you only have a range with 25 yard distance, when in fact you need 250 mtr for the Large Bore Silhouette discipline.
This however is becoming less and less. Everybody's getting more aware of the laws and futhermore we don't want to put our delicate position as sportshooter in danger simply because we "must" have that Desert Eagle. Politicians can have a field day when it comes to gun-control which you guys know everything about.
Yes, the 27 is indeed a beautiful revolver. You see them from time to time as well overhere in the Netherlands. it's actually one of the revolvers I was looking at before I saw a model 19 and hopped on that bandwagon.
Overhere in the Netherlands we may have up to 10.000 rounds at home. Primers count also as rounds. This is arranged in gun-laws, of course, but for example with gunpowder, that's laid down in environmental laws. I can't realy recall how much nitro powder we can have, but we can only have one kilo of blackpowder because of risk of explosion.
With regards to defensive rounds, we can purchase any kind of bullet, although you will not see them often, simply because we cannot use our guns for self defence. It's sportshooting only. We have to keep our guns and ammunition seperate but in gunsafes at home and we may only transport our weapons from home to gunrange, gunsmith/shop, police station, matches at other ranges. When we tranport them they must be properly "stowed" in bag/case and there may be no rounds in magazine/cilinder/etc.
So unless we run into aggressive bowling pins or targets at the range, there is no use for defensive rounds.
We can own almost all types of ammunition except for .50 bmg (and a few other large bore rifle calibers) and 25 acp. Simply because we don't have enough space here for .50bmg and .25acp is simply not a sport shooting round (according to our Shooting Association. Others may think different).
Further more we can only own guns which fall into a shooting-discipline which can be trained/shot at the range which you are a member of. Our shooting association has banned magnum ammunition for their shooting disciplines, but because you can shoot .38 special and .44 special you can own those types of revolvers. There is however another possibility to own guns which shoot magnum ammunition and that is to become a member of the Silhouette organisation, which is accepted by our Dutch Shooting Association.
Still you will see lots and lots of Desert Eagles, S&W 500 mags and .460's here in Holland and the owners are not member of the Silhouette organisation. That is because if we want to purchase a gun we must ask permission from the "board" of our Gun range. They will fill in the form which we then have to take local police dept. There, after a thorough check, you will receive the permit to purchase the gun. The police however are not responsible for verifying if the gun you request to purchase falls into a discipline which you can shoot at your range. That's the responsibility of the "board" of your range. So if they make a mistake or simply aren't too nitpicky regarding the rules, you might get a Desert Eagle .50 AE approved when you only have a range with 25 yard distance, when in fact you need 250 mtr for the Large Bore Silhouette discipline.
This however is becoming less and less. Everybody's getting more aware of the laws and futhermore we don't want to put our delicate position as sportshooter in danger simply because we "must" have that Desert Eagle. Politicians can have a field day when it comes to gun-control which you guys know everything about.
loyalaussie
Member
Very Interesting!! Sounds a bit like Australia only some things here are stricter ,somethings way less strict but about the same.Licenses here for longarms are easy as long as your not too serious a criminal. A person with a record can still get a license just depends on what they did.Its more common sense if someone was convicted of a crime involving assault robbery,attempted murder etc no but certainly not totally blocked for lesser crimes. When you face court here you dont wait in lockup till trial either unless its really serious, but back to guns Unfortunately after 1996 Port Arthur shooting setup or not!
registration came in whereas prior to that you could buy anything Uzis,AK,SLR ,AR15 Thompsons without even ID you just had to be an adult,Gunshows were far more fun then walkin with cash walkout with goodies. Life changed dramatically for us in 96. Which is why its definetly a GOOD idea to write it into the constitution as the US did unlike most countries here on earth who consider it a so called "privelige"not a right 
Im just glad we can still have them, shoot them, collect them, and hold them compared to some countries we are ok Phew
Walker45
US Veteran
I would like to thank Mr. Fargo, as well as all the forum members for their contribution to this thread. I have been offered a tempting trade for a 19-4 and was trying to research the handgun before I make decision. It is with your help I will accept the offer and look forward to shooting my new revolver, also my first.
Again thanks...
Again thanks...
My first ever Smith was a 4" 19-3 in mint condition that I bought for the sum of $125. This was of course around 1979. Foolishly I traded it a short time later for a bolt action .243 rifle. 20+ years ago I bought another one, I don't remember what dash # it was, sent it to Andy Cannon and had his deluxe action and accuracy job done. Once again I foolishly traded it away, this time for a stereo receiver. I traded with a friend and tried to get it back but he smartly won't part with it. Last year at a gunshow I happened upon another 19-3 in flawless condition, the spitting image to my original. $500 later it is sitting in my safe and I don't intend to part with this one!
Battletech58
Member
Fargo thanks for the info on gun laws in your country and I am feeling very lucky to be living in the U.S. Hope you get your firearm sooner and that you post a photo.
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