Model 52-2 Range Report and Question

Very timely reply 'Smith - I've followed this thread as I experienced similar FTE issues with my 52-2 that I've had for about a month. I replaced the recoil spring with a factory 8# from Wolff and a new S&W mag and cleaned well around the extractor. I don't think temp is a factor.
Still experiencing way too many FTEs (2-3 per mag). The only constant is the ammo - factory S&B. My next step to to reload some of my own and see if i can work up a load it likes with W231.

Regards,
 
I too have been following this thread and can tell you that my reloads with 2.8 grains
of Bullseye with a 148g HBWC has worked flawlessly for all these years.
I was just given two boxes of S&B wadcutters and it will not cycle them, I get FTE's.
They are not quite strong enough to get the spent case out of the way, I was surprised.
Regards,
BM1
 
The 52 is very fussy about case length. Trim cases to the minimum length and seat bullets flush with the mouth. I have a seperate batch of brass trimmed this way that is only used in my 52-1.
Also bear in mind that just because you've been using a certian handload in other guns for years it does not mean that your 52 will like it. My 52 likes just a teeny bit more power than what I normally use in revolver WC loads to reliably cycle. I suggest that you experiment a bit and work up a load specificly for this pistol.
My 52-1 likes a Speer HBWC over 3.1 grs of W231 loaded in the previously mentioned minimum length brass. Once I worked out a load it likes, it has functioned perfectly.
 
Thanks for the feedback folks!! Very interesting about the S&B Bad-man, I was wondering.....................

Regards,
 
My 52-2 has never been fed handloads, but functions fine with Win and Rem WC...A GREAT bullseye gun. I use it for the short course or 1800s. It wears Bo-Mar sights.
Bob

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I use 3 grains of Bullseye and I make sure I have a pronounced taper crimp. Never had an issue and shoots great.
 
I have been following this thread. I initially assumed that limp wristing was the problem. If it is not then I would ake sure that the gun is lubed wet with Rem-Oil and repeat your experiment.

I shoot a 52-1 which is flawless with 2.8 gr. Bullseye, Rem 1.5 behind the Rem 148 gr. LHBWC. These are all loaded in the wadcutter brass not the normal 38 Sp brass. I have a large supply of brass from factory Remington 148 gr WC amo which I use to feed this fine firearm.

As an aside I am 73 years old and this gun can shoot much more reliably and precisely than I can hold.

I trust that you can iron out your problem and enjoy a truly superb firearm for bullseye pistol competition.

PS: I also use it for steel plate matches. I beats the pants off of some of the new shooters.
 
Well, for those following the thread who care, it looks like my FTE issue is resolved.

I loaded up some 148g LHBWCs over 3.1, 3.2 and 3.3 W231 and tested them today. All functioned like a champ no problems whatsoever!! I only made 5 rounds per, and in that small sample the 3.1 had the best grouping.

As far as brass, I used 'plain old' Speer, S&W and RP headstamps.

No more factory S&B wadcutters in the 52-2 for me!! I'll shoot 'em through a wheelgun!

Regards,
 
It does sound as if the FTE is resolved, but was not the original post concerninng FTC? (fails to chamber).I might have my acronyms screwed up, FTE is failure to eject right? I do have two additional quick questions, not being personally familiar with Bo Mar sights, what is the advantage over factory? I also have to say that I like the looks of the grips in the image of the 52 above. Mine are very dark. Any suggestions on a good wood cleaner that will not effect the checkering?
 
I was able to get the gun to cycle with a Wollf 7# recoil spring when I shoot the factory Sellier & Bellot ammo.
8# (Factory) when shooting the 2.8 grains of Bullseye with a 148g HBWC.
Regards,
BM1
 
My 52 likes just a teeny bit more power than what I normally use in revolver WC loads to reliably cycle.

Grayfox's comment mirrors my experience and I neglected to mention it a few months ago, in my initial post. Some people also think slower powders work better in 52s, thus 231 or something similar might be a good bet if Bullseye is not doing the trick. The comment about trimming brass to minimum makes perfect sense, but I admit I have not checked mine.

HKSmith, as your LNIB gun is used, it should wear itself in to a condition that suits it, and start to work better, so temperature may have nothing to do with it. The gun warms up pretty quickly when you start shooting it. I would think how clean it is and how you lube it would be more important. Having said that, I have shot more than a couple thousand rounds through my 52-2, trying to be systematic about cleaning and lubing it, and it still hiccups - even with handloaded ammunition that has been checked in a gage. Makes one think we are dealing with a very tightly chambered gun, thus the suggestion to trim the cases back to minimum is probably a very good one.

Speaking of wearing-in your 52-2, Gil Hebard once published a pretty extensive test of 52s, IIRC shooting them huge numbers of rounds and observing them carefully for accuracy. It seems the 52s did indeed not function up to their capability until they had shot-in, and then they went many, many thousands of rounds without substantial loss of accuracy. The number at which he found accuracy started to fall off escapes me now, but it seems it may have been around 75,000 rounds - maybe even more. I believe he tested four guns and got similar results across the board. At that time, the pistols appeared to be very consistent, from gun to gun.
 
This is an interesting topic, and the fact that it seems to be written by a bunch of 60+ shooters makes it more interesting. I am also a 60+ (68 last week)and still shooting with one hand, but now just .22 RF bullseye, (with a red dot). My shooting had been going gradually down hill the last several years, and the (indoor 50 ft. gallery round) scores were falling into the 250's range. I was determined this year to do better, and we just finished up our 10 week league, and I averaged 271 for the league. (Even shot a 91 slow fire one week).

I shot a 52-2 for 10 years, and a trick told my by Roy Jinks was to trim the brass .0010 shorter than minimum, but still seat the bullet the same length. This leaves a .0010 of lead exposed and it seemed to let the load slide into the chamber smoother and I never had a FTF in 10 years. I put a very slight taper crimp on the case mouth, and also used 2.8 Gr. Bullseye.
 
Originally posted by H Richard:
A trick told by Roy Jinks was to trim the brass .0010 shorter than minimum,
but still seat the bullet the same length.
This leaves a .0010 of lead exposed and it seemed to let the load slide into the chamber smoother.
I put a very slight taper crimp on the case mouth, and also used 2.8 Gr. Bullseye.
+1 EXACTLY

Regards,
BM1
 
I too am a 73 year old bullseye shooter and benefited from the posts. I started back into hand loading, Dillon 450, and had some recent failure to return to battery problems. Using 3.2 gr 231 with Alberts HBWC's. In the past, my 52 always worked best almost dripping with oil. I checked all finished reloads with sizing die occasionally finding one that was tight.
 
I too have a 52-2 that has only fired reloads only, let me tell you about a time I let my brass get kind of ratty I have a falling plate machine and I was shooting steel plates and I had one that failed to go to battery and I pushed the slide forward and it fired!! I thought what happened, the next one did the same so I pushed it forward and what had happened I had left my finger in the trigger guard and 52's have such a light trigger pull I had apparently pulled back a little and fired it, I was alone and had no bad results but it was an eye opener. Lesson remove trigger finger from guard when closing the slide down. Jeff
 
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Really cleaned and lubed my 52 and ran 50 3.2 231 Alberts HBWC's through it yesterday. Cycled fine, action wet with oil. Ordered a Wolf spring kit for it.
 
I too had failure to feed in my M52-1 with factory ammo and reloads.

Ever since I started trimming my brass I have had not one alibi or failure to feed.

My recipe:

Remington cases trimmed to 1.130"
Inside mouth chamfer
Inside flash hole chamfer
148gr Remington HBWC seated to 1.170"
2.8gr Bullseye powder
Roll crimp to .370"
Winchester small pistol magnum primers seated .007" below flush

I just shot a 872-26x today in the centerfire match at the Desert mid Winter match here in Phoenix today.

I have standard spring in it from Wolff.
A 1" Ultradot on a BME mount that mounts into the front groove of the dust shield(where the weight used to go).

Just my .02 cents worth.

Clarence Perkins
 

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