Model 58, Is there any excitment for these?

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41 Mag, One caliber I do not have. What is the "draw" to this gun? It seems this model was not made for very long. The caliber may be good for hunting (flatter shooting) but in a fixed sight gun what does it have over a 44 Special or 44 Mag?

Asking as I saw one today for the first time. I reload so ammo is not an issue.

Guess I am curious if they are a desirable gun?
 
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Here is mine. The draw is these are no longer made, so everybody wants one, LOL!! I wanted one for years because it looks like a model 10 on steroids. I got this in late 2008, intending to give it to my father-in-law to carry around the house in the mountains, but he passed away shortly after I got it. These guns are a handful to shoot with the standard stocks and hot loads. I gave $550.00 for mine way back then and am pleased.
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Guess I am curious if they are a desirable gun?

No offense, but with almost 7,500 posts here you certainly don't seem to have been living under a rock. That subject is covered quite often by numerous folks in various threads many times.

It's a "cult" caliber and the 58 is kind of a 'cult' gun. Some will argue it's virtues and some scratch their heads at appeal of the 58.

The strong points of the cartridge is it is a bit flatter shooting than the 44 and supposedly it recoils less, but in comparable performing loads you couldn't prove it by me. On the down side, it's more of a handloader's cartridge than the 44 and even at that the bullet selection is not as broad.

The strong points of the 58 ? It's an N frame S&W ! And some would opine the old saw "everything you need and nothing you don't" while others would argue it was a failure in the market place, too big, kicks too hard for small cops & cop-ettes, and in general is an illegitimate child.

Only my opinion, but I think it does what it was designed for pretty well, even though a model 29 so configured would have done the same. It was intended to be a hip holster carried duty gun of serious power for a police officer designed to be used in the accepted 'gun fight' distances of the day. But the meager factory load offerings at it's inception were too much for many to handle comfortably so it didn't last in that role.

Great hunting cartridge, but, I could just as easily taken everything I've put in the pot with a .41 with a .44.

Had the 58 been offered as a .41 special ( or a 44 special for that matter ) it may have been more accepted. Who knows ? But it was born during the 'magnumizing' of the times and by the time the ammo technology/savvy caught up the po-leece had moved on to semi-autos. We saw what happened when the 10mm was introduced much the same way, except in that case the 40 S&W was the resulting compromise and I don't think many could argue that 'downsizing' was not a success.

YMMV
 
Leave it to me to retire my .41 mag for a 10mm. It was the closest thing I could find in a pistol to a .41 mag at the time.
I just never get anything right.:(
 
There's something elemental about a big-bore fixed sight N-Frame.
As originally done, that is.
I had a short and troubled dalliance with one of the "new" 21-4s.
Agree that a model 57 equivalent in 44 Special would have been the perfect marriage of gun and caliber.
 
I do not reload, so my M57 and M58 seldom, if ever, get range time. As for the M58, it just did not sell well at all. NFrameFred described the M58 and the situation very well. Me, I just like the "clean" look of a N frame with fixed sights. Plus, I like mine because not everyone has one that is nickel. Yeah I know, sad commentary about me.
 
let go of

Leave it to me to retire my .41 mag for a 10mm. It was the closest thing I could find in a pistol to a .41 mag at the time.
I just never get anything right.:(

Don't feel bad, Chip - I let go of my 10MM 1911 years ago and got completely out of the .41 too, before I got 'pulled back in' via a fortuitous trade on the first 58, and now there's three .41's in the safe . . . . but still no 10mm ( can't find a 'deal' on one :(). I never was known for exactly doing the right thing at the right time myself . . . .
 
I really like the heavy bbl, N frame, fxd sight config. I would own one in every caliber, if it weren't cost prohibitive (especially 45's). I've only seen one model 520, couple years ago for $750...wish I bought it.

Advantages over 44...hmmm...not really. I actually load my M58 with the same 7.5 grains unique as my 44 spl, only a slightly lighter lead swc bullet.

I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much if I were launching max load JHPs from it.
 
Retired police love this gun.
It was the ultimate highway patrolman's revolver.

The .41 is better than the .44 unless you live in Alaska.
 
Good Questions....I own a model 58, I like it , it's my favorite handgun and I don't know why. maybe because it looks good, chambered in a cal. that begins with 4 ( big bores and N frames are just COOL ), no sights to get knocked out of alignment. I reload so I have worked up a cast bullet load at 850 to 900 fps that shoots to point of aim and we have fun at the range.

And I'm the kind of guy that roots for the underdog and likes redheaded stepchildren...model 58's have been compared to these. Everybody and thier brother has/ wants a model 29 in 44 mag. and I like to be different. I feel good with it on the nightstand when I sleep.

It may not be practical or a commerical success but I'm not getting rid of mine any time soon.

Die hard 58/41mag fan
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Should have been built in .45ACP

I've owned 2 58's (a 57, a Ruger NMBH and a 12" contender barrel). traded them of for something else along the way. Wish they'd have made the 58 a .45......

I agree!! Should have been built in .45 ACP. I have a 57 no dash 8 3/8"and a 1977 58 both nickel. The long tube is much better as a shooter as to accurate and lighter recoil.


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Ischia
 
I could never tell the difference between recoil of a .44Mag and a .41 Mag in the top factory loads.The .41 Mag in the "mid-range" load was so close to the hand loaded .44Spl & .45 ACP/AR at 950-1000 fps. that I couldn't tell the difference there either, recoil wise.What made me get away from the .41Mag. was the day at the range that I had somehow mixed in a couple of .41s with .44Mags, the .41s slipped into the chambers too easily[ I believe this was a case of "gun shop comparison"where the wrong rounds were inserted in the wrong boxes] and,thank God,I caught it before firing.[probably no problem but a split case or two] but at the time,I had several .44 Mags and one Mod. 58,.41 Mag. I wish I had the .45ACP barrels and cylinders then that I have now. I would have built a fixed sight .45 ACP/AR! Either way, you won't be undergunned with a .41 Mag and appreciation in value, in the years to come may be considerable. Nick
 
Leave it to me to retire my .41 mag for a 10mm. It was the closest thing I could find in a pistol to a .41 mag at the time.
I just never get anything right.:(

I own a .41 and 10mm...so I'll help you paddle the boat.
 
It was noted that had the M58 been made in a 41 Special round or even the 44 special, it made have fared better. Please remember that in 1964 when the M58 was introduced, one could get the m21 M&P 44 special as they languished on the shelfs or even better a 4" M24 with adjustable sights or a special order M25 in 45 Colt if a big bore N frame service handgun was wanted. The M58 was an attempt by S&W to breath some life into the N frame line with a new caliber. A 357 M20 would have fared better at the time. In the mid 60's, the m15 and M19 were ruling the roost for police revolvers, a position they held until the switch to auto loaders. With that said, I love the 41 Magnum as a big bore do it all round. Bob!
 
Retired police love this gun.
It was the ultimate highway patrolman's revolver.

The .41 is better than the .44 unless you live in Alaska.

You hit on one of the two keys points, .41 is the best revolver SD caliber, it was marketed and accepted to be the ultimate police load. The load choices were a 210 grain SWC and later a 200 HP, which were mild loads.

The second thing is in today's SD loads it comes in at a MVE of 700-800 lbs, whereas a .44 is 1100-1200, so there is a considerable difference in recoil. Although, I will say my 57MG due to the lighter frame is as strong in recoil as my 4" M29. However, a 58 does kick lighter than a M29 etc.

The .41 is cool, if for no other reason I have yet to run into another guy shooting a .41 at the range, .44's are nothing unusual.
 
Wow, I awoke a sleeping giant!:D

I just never understood the 41 Mag. If the advantages of a it are flatter shooting (ie:as a hunting caliber) OK, but a 4" fixed sight gun would not be a "hunter".

As a duty or SD gun I do not see the benefit over a 357 Mag but that's just me.

No doubt it is a clean, cool looking (lack of better adjective) gun.;)

So I guess this means I have to buy some 41 Mag dies, brass and lead and oh, the gun;)

Oh, I live under the sand, we have no rocks:D;)
 
Not that I was around when 58's were made originally, but a an old guy with a table full of S&W's, including some 58's explained to me why the 58's aren't common........

58's were marketed for PD sales, but they started coming out in an era when (no offense to anyone intended, this is how it was explained to me)........... more "recoil sensitive" police recruits (smaller stature men, women) couldn't handle the .41 Magnum and it never caught on like S&W intended. Civilians and LEO's who purchased their own sidearms, who really wanted a .41 Magnum usually just bought 57's, so the 58 was kind of left out in the cold, so to speak.


Just like 10mm was supposed to be THE LE round but recoil and muzzle blast made it prohibitive to non-gun people LEO's. The FBI used it for like 10 minutes in the 90's, from what I hear but it was never widely issued. So, the .40 was born by shortening the 10mm and now .40 S&W is THE LEO round:rolleyes:

I like the "Classic" 58's, they are neat but you can find a decent, honestly used 58 for the same or less $$.
 

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