Model 69 - Their explanation

CleanHarry said:
This relates to the gun AND the satisfaction of ownership.

To those who are so righteously chastising me... Fling that stone. Then re-read all this drama. I told them I was unhappy, I told them what I wanted, I voiced an opinion that was running rampant on these forums.

The "threat" I posed is the same threat each and every one of you pose - to talk about products and voice your opinion. ESPECIALLY because you join these forums.

As I see it - I got them to make a statement about their position on the "correctness" of the product.

Nobody else got that accomplished. Magazines and internet reviewers are too frightened to even address the question.

I feel I was very fair. I got their attention, I asked the pertinent questions and I got the answers to the questions that all Y'all were silently asking.

So... raspberries. Kick me off now if you want because if I need to, I will do this again.
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"Lighten up Francis"
 
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I was taught you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. But your way got results.

A more subtle approach, might have got you results and a free hat.

My guess if you ever return a gun for warantee work it will take a very long time to get your gun back. Ed
 
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The one in post 15 looks really good. The one quoted in post 45 looks like the barrel is over or under clocked.

David
 
I don't think it is possible to over or underclock because it is a shroud and not the barrel. Take a look at the first picture in post 15. The barrel shroud is locked into place.
 
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jaymoore said:
Probably the visual appearance of the offset did not raise any alarm bells at S&W because the feature is placed as intended. Their mistake was either not offsetting the notch quite enough so that it "looks good" or making it "V" shaped in the first place. They might have made it asymetrically shaped to indicate that bearing was required only on one side. But then folk would probably worry that the notch was "misshappen"...

Have looked at about 6 or 7 so far (bought the first one I saw) and they're pretty much identical.

Timing on all has been excellent, BTW! Fairly unusual.

The only drama seen so far on a 69 has been a bore that appears to have rotated mid-way through the ECM rifling process. Sort of a "two-step" set of lands. Probably won't hurt anything, but it looked weird. That example also had almost no forcing cone, but that's not a biggie either if everything lines up well. Very similar to some pre-WWI M&Ps and .32 WCF revolvers I've had.

Shroud can't rotate out of position! Note the large tongue and groove interface above the "V".:
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And the ball can't be off much R-L:
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It's just that the notch looks "off"!:
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Purely a cosmetic thing. If'n I wus Schmit i'd change tha looks...just to hush up folk.

Personally, I think it's a step in the right direction.

And that stupid Model 69 is rapidly becoming quite a favorite. Accurate. Effective DA. Just dang good. Surprisingly so.
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Looks like it was designed to "wear in" kinda like an over under or side by side shotgun locking lug.
 
Thunderball said:
I don't think it is possible to over or underclock because it is a shroud and not the barrel. Take a look at the first picture in post 15. The barrel shroud is locked into place.
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You are right. Looking at the way the yoke and shroud are made, it looks like if the shroud lined up the groove would line up with the ball.
See the first picture in post 47

David

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shawn mccarver said:
I am sorry to say that I find the initial letter to S&W to be unnecessarily strongly worded. In light of the numerous complaints I have noticed on this Forum, I am pleased that S&W took the time to respond in such a sure sounding way. This should be posted in every thread in which members have complained that something is wrong with their Model 66 or Model 69 based upon an off-center seat in the V-notch in the ball detent mechanism.
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I don't find it unnecessarily strong worded ... I find it gratuitously rude, accusatory, and threatening. Put bluntly, the letter sounded like it was penned by a loud-mouthed confrontational jerk, and someone who doesn't dignify nor deserve a response. A modicum of professionalism goes a long way in dealing with customer service issues, irrespective which party is in the right. The OP should be happy he wasn't told to take his idle gun forum posting threats and go pound sand.
 
I must say that I agree with a couple of opinions expressed in this post. First I do agree that the gun looks like it has an inherent design flaw or at least a very odd looking locking system sure to raise questions from consumers. That being said I also agree that the OP's 'warning shot' fired across S&W's bow was taken, understandably in my opinion, as a somewhat hostile customer inquiry/demand for satisfaction. We hear all this malarkey about big business,big oil etc that we forget there is an actual human being on the other end of that email or phone call and believe it or not they don't like being threatened or insulted any more than you do.
 
l viewed my first 69/66 at Nickols Store in Rock Hill SC this past Monday..0f the 4 examples l handled ALL 4 of the ball detents locked in the vee at different depths..

Fondling a new 986 PC at Shooters in Augusta yesterday l noticed its ball was right in the Center...At $1169 for the 986 vs $769 on a 69..400 Bucks DO make a difference.....
 
Thank you
Since I kicked the hornets' nest, I have read the thousands of words on this subject. Thank you for the discourse.

First, let me admit that my lack of knowledge about "partially-engaged" detents - compounded by other forum posts taking the position that it's wrong - led me to jump on the wagon.

I wanted to love this gun, heck, I bought one!

Now, after all this talk, after all this reduction of post-purchase dissonance... I am sorry that I criticized with limited research.

The model 69 functions great, is fun to shoot, accurate, feels great in my hand and is the best looking revolver profile I have ever seen. I can't wait to shoot it again.
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Harry
 
At the range - honestly

Can't wait til Y'all who told me I'm a jerk, loudmouth, and told me to pound sand post your targets. Haha!

Chicken Boo what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys,

BUT YOU'RE NOT A MAN, YOU'RE A CHICKEN BOO!

This is two-hand hold at 7 yards...
 

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