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[Jaymo]

So, three rounds were duds?
And that means all ammo made by them must be junk?
Really? Is that the position you wish to maintain?
You DO realize that Tim Sundles does NOT make primers, don't you?

I've had dud ammo from RemChestEral.
I still buy their ammo.

Now, my last question.
Have you tried any of the ammo in any of your other guns, BEFORE trying it in your 386, and confirmed that it was an ammo problem and not a gun problem?

You have some variables to eliminate prior to condemning Buffalo Bore ammo.

I'm not defending them, nor attacking you, but I don't think you've done your due diligence to confirm where the problem is.

 

[GrayGhost99]

Before a tree came through my roof and damaged a while lot of my stuff years ago I had a sizeable collection of factory flubb ups. Helped that I had a life long friend and his wife who worked for Olin. Backward bullets, magnum cases seated and crimped to special lengths, dead primers, backward primers you name it. All from we're verified from big factories and found in shipped in boxes to the public(I had a lot of time on my hands).

Best thing ever was a Remington 38 special lrn with no primer pocket but still loaded with powder. Now this one wasn't shipped but was caught by qc. I used to set it up at gun shows with a joke sign saying it was a rare 38 special rimfire. Stuff happens.

I also have had more dud primers reloading in the last couple of years than I have had in the previous 30 put together.

 

[Jaymo]

^So have I.

 

[HarrishMasher]

So, three rounds were duds?
And that means all ammo made by them must be junk?
Really? Is that the position you wish to maintain?
You DO realize that Tim Sundles does NOT make primers, don't you?

I've had dud ammo from RemChestEral.
I still buy their ammo.

Now, my last question.
Have you tried any of the ammo in any of your other guns, BEFORE trying it in your 386, and confirmed that it was an ammo problem and not a gun problem?

You have some variables to eliminate prior to condemning Buffalo Bore ammo.

I'm not defending them, nor attacking you, but I don't think you've done your due diligence to confirm where the problem is.

If you read any of my posts above in full you would see I did more than my share of due diligence. I had failures to ignite in 2 other guns. A brand new 686PC and a 386PD. It is the ammo. I only tried 10 rounds out of the 20 in the box, and three failed.

2 in my Night Guard 1 in my 686PC and then tried all 3 in my 386PD, none fired.

Sorry for ammo that is $2 a pop I expect better. Each batch of primers should be tested for that price. I am betting my life on this ammo. Had I loaded those rounds into my 5 shot M&P 340 and had to defend myself I would probably be dead.

I have been shooting weekly for 20 years and have never had this happen even with the cheapest reloads. I have had maybe a dozen light primer strikes in my life that fired on the next strike. I have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds in my life.

I also bought 2 boxes of 38 ammo from them. On their website it said it would be loaded with gold dots. When I received it I found it to be loaded with mystery bullets.

I did some research on this today and found a number of other people who had the same experience.

Not what I expect for some of the most expensive boutique ammo available. I expect much much better. So yes I am done with BB. I have pulled it from all my guns. And rightly so. I have zero confidence in this ammo and this brand in general.

 

[CoMF]

Relax. Call up BB, explain what happened, politely ask for a refund, and then stop using boutique ammo.

I agree that for $1.75-$2.00 per round, the ammo had better deliver results that warrant the price. Still, don't discount other posters that haven't experienced any problems. Not everyone in unlucky enough to pull the short straw, y'know?

 

[John Rus]

OK, your starting to sound irationale.

I am also in the field of manufacturing (Cabinet shop and woodworking) and the land lord is in metal fabrication. And working in construction, just because you got a lot of rounds (I aplaud you for getting so many rounds that work!) doesn't mean they don't get a few that slipped by. That's all you got, 3 duds and your bad mouthing a company? That's completely unreasonable. I can tell you sometimes things happen even to the best of us and companies are no exception. If you get box after box like that and that's all the better they ever did then they deserve all the criticism you have just posted, but they have not and if you were my customer I would deal with it my own sweet time IF I even deal with you at all. People are people, we're not perfect nor are you, so act like you are not perfect and understand that you just got a few duds, nothing more.

Why not for smiles and giggles run through the rest of the box and see what happens, it might suprise you and the rest will fire without problem.

John.

 

[CoMF]

John,

First off, welcome to the forum.

You're right that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but I also don't think he's in the wrong for being upset considering the hype surrounding Buffalo Bore and the prices they charge for it.

I do think we can both agree, though, that he should chill out, call up BB, calmly explain what happened and politely request a refund.

 

[Watchdog]

If you wanna part with your current BB inventory I'll be happy to take it.

I wouldn't buy it. There might be a dud or two in it.

 

[m657]

I see the issue, and would be upset myself.

Once a few years ago, I was totally surprised to open a fresh factory pack of NEW 45-70 ammo, & have see one of the primers was already "pre-indented". No way to 'splain it....

 

[Culina]

This is why I almost exclusively shoot my load or reloads. No matter how much you pay for your ammo, you can still end up with duds.

With ammo and component manufacturers working overtime the last couple years, I am sure it has had a negative impact on quality; this "might" be the result of that but who knows for sure.

 

[Fishinfool]

Does BB use RP cases? Any I have seen were loaded with Starline brass.

Larry

 

[John Rus]

John,

First off, welcome to the forum.

You're right that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but I also don't think he's in the wrong for being upset considering the hype surrounding Buffalo Bore and the prices they charge for it.

I do think we can both agree, though, that he should chill out, call up BB, calmly explain what happened and politely request a refund.

While it's he is not in the wrong for being upset, one can let the emotions drive you to make hasty decisions. I think his criticism is clouded with some emotion and not letting reason be the driving force in his disappointment.

John.

 

[HarrishMasher]

Here is what I am going to do. I have two boxes of 19H 357 Barnes Low Flash coming on Tuesday or Wednesday. I will shoot 10 rounds out of each box, every other round in the tray. Or maybe I will just shoot every single round. I will use my 686PC and my 586 L Comp that is coming on Tuesday as well. Either way I will report back.

But in all honesty, given all the research I have done on BB today and all the failures to ignite that have been reported, and all the folks who have complained about getting different bullets than advertised loaded in the cases, I don't know that I will ever use the ammo again. What are the chances I bought 4 boxes of BB and randomly had both of these problems...1) failures to ignite and 2) mystery bullets instead of the advertised Gold Dots. My guess is it is just not that random, but more common than you think. Just not cool for $2 a pop.

 

[Boge]

Here is what I am going to do. I have two boxes of 19H 357 Barnes Low Flash coming on Tuesday or Wednesday. I will shoot 10 rounds out of each box, every other round in the tray. Or maybe I will just shoot every single round. I will use my 686PC and my 586 L Comp that is coming on Tuesday as well. Either way I will report back.

But in all honesty, given all the research I have done on BB today and all the failures to ignite that have been reported, and all the folks who have complained about getting different bullets than advertised loaded in the cases, I don't know that I will ever use the ammo again. What are the chances I bought 4 boxes of BB and randomly had both of these problems...1) failures to ignite and 2) mystery bullets instead of the advertised Gold Dots. My guess is it is just not that random, but more common than you think. Just not cool for $2 a pop.

Buffalo Bore does (put on your glasses and read this well) NOT MAKE PRIMERS!! It's quite possible that a PRIMER MANUFACTURER had made a bad lot and no one will know until they shoot them as it's obviously sporadic as the rest of your rounds worked fine.

We live in a World w/o perfection and you are a perfectionist. You will not be happy here. Before whining incessantly here you need to contact BB to let them get to the bottom of the matter. That's how you handle issues such as this and not bloviating like a recalcitrant child. Be an adult.

 

[perrazi]

totally agree with kurac on loading your own. haven't shot a factory handgun round in so many years I don't remember the last time.

 

[zelda]

Boge-What you said about Harrish was ugly.

l have seen BB ammo but disliked it because the packaging reminds me of cheap makeup.

l shoot ''Dad's Ammo''. The quality and price cant be beat !

 

[chief38]

One of the biggest reasons I use buffalo bore is because I have had so many (too many) failures, incorrectly loaded, and terrible quality issues with Remington and Winchester ammo. I've Never had any QC issues with BB but I know it can happen. If they had a bad batch of primers and while ultimately its their ammo and their responsibility the blame might have to be on the manufacturer of the primers. Tim Sundles does not manufacturer primers. I have NEVER shot more consistent ammo than that of BB.

Like Erich suggested, call & talk to Sundles before making a drastic decision.

 

[6518John]

Here is what I am going to do. I have two boxes of 19H 357 Barnes Low Flash coming on Tuesday or Wednesday. I will shoot 10 rounds out of each box, every other round in the tray. Or maybe I will just shoot every single round. I will use my 686PC and my 586 L Comp that is coming on Tuesday as well. Either way I will report back.

But in all honesty, given all the research I have done on BB today and all the failures to ignite that have been reported, and all the folks who have complained about getting different bullets than advertised loaded in the cases, I don't know that I will ever use the ammo again. What are the chances I bought 4 boxes of BB and randomly had both of these problems...1) failures to ignite and 2) mystery bullets instead of the advertised Gold Dots. My guess is it is just not that random, but more common than you think. Just not cool for $2 a pop.

HarrishMasher--What I have found interesting about your issue is the fact that a "technical" article on his web-site proclaims that "I’ve discovered that although the ammo did not go bang, and it appears to be the fault of the ammo, in 98% of the cases, (98% is not an exaggeration) that is simply not true. The much more complex firing mechanism is normally the culprit."

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=139

I also found particularly interesting the two page manifesto on "Ammunition Shortages and Personal Preparedness." https://www.buffalobore.com/

"Preparedness" becomes a "Responsibility" when one opens the article (see new caption). I always found interesting the directly implied message that I can avert or at least mitigate social chaos by hoarding his ammo and it is my "responsibility" to buy his ammo!

But remember if it doesn't work, 98% of the time is my or my gun's fault!

 

[David R]

In 1987 I got my pistol permit, only after seeing my dad reload so I knew I could afford to shoot. One of my guns was a new 45 auto. I bought ONE box of Winchester Hollow points beacuse some one in a magazine (no internet then) I should use factory rounds in case of a questionable shooting. ONE of those rounds pushed the bullet back into the case and tied up the gun like its never been.

I now carry reloads because Mine are just as good as factory.

For carrying reloads instead of personal defense ammo, I don't give a hoot.

This is also why I carry a snubbie. NO bang? Pull trigger again.

To each his own.

 

[waffenmac]

Yeah, that's not good.

It does validate my belief that any ammo for defense, even in a revolver, needs to be throughly tested before being trusted.

I feel 50 rounds is the minimum in a revolver before I trust a load. 100 is even better. Any problems with the ammo should reveal themselves, POI can be tested, and trust can be built.

Honestly, I would rather carry a revolver loaded with 158 LRN from a tested lot that hits to POA, than carry an untested wonder bullet.

Amen on that I still use nyclads and silver tips circa late 80s and early 90s because I bought so much and I know it goes pow when I pull the trigger