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We recently purchased the Smith & Wesson 38 Airweight model 442. Then, I signed up for a Women's firearms class with the local police. We really like this style of revolver, however the trigger was very hard for me to pull. Finally at the 15 yard mark the training officer had me pulling it with 2 fingers. Recoil didn't bother me. So, what my question is does S&W have a same style revolver with an easier trigger pull? I also have a carry license and there will be times when it is in my purse. My husband likes the no outside hammer style because he worries the hammer may get caught up on something when I need to pull it out of my purse quickly.
Thanks in advance for any advice :)
 
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I believe most J frames have roughly the same trigger pull. You can get an Apex spring kit that might reduce the weight of the trigger pull or get a real gunsmith to do a trigger job, but from the general production line, they should all be about the same. You might find that a performance center gun may be a little lighter.
 
If it is strictly the weight of the trigger pull, you could have a responsible gunsmith lighten up the trigger and smooth things out. Keep in mind the double action, by virtue of you actually cocking the (internal) hammer and firing with one pull of the trigger will necessitate a trigger pull of at least 8 or 9 lbs.
Any pull lighter may cause the ignition to be unreliable. I'd first take the gun to a reliable gunsmith and have him measure the trigger pull, and advise you of what he feels he can do for you.
 
The J-Frames have a really heavy trigger pull. I'm sure a gunsmith may be able to help, but a too light pull can compromise ignition.
I have a client who is a Woman in her 70s. She got a carry permit and bought an S&W M442 Centennial. She couldn't pull the trigger or even open the cylinder. I took her shopping and she bought a Ruger LCR. It has a push button cylinder release and the trigger pull is much lighter.
It works for her.
Jim
 
please don't keep a gun in your purse. purse grab and run another stollin gun on the streets
 
EydieG,

you didn't tell us what level of experience you have with revolvers. Is the 442 your first one? If so you picked an excellent revolver, but not one that is easy for a beginner to use.

A cure for your situation could be exercising your hands, to build up the muscles, there are various types of hand and finger exercisers on the market.

Have you tried a larger (K or medium frame ) revolver? They "feel" easier, although the actual trigger pull is only a few pounds lighter, the difference is mainly in the weight and trigger geometry.

You may even feel a difference using a steel frame J such as 36 or stainless steel 60, or a 640, which is your exact same gun, only made of stainless instead of alloy.

One truism of the air weights is that they are great for carry, less so for shooting.
 
Yes adwjc, this is my first gun. I have practically no experience. The women's firearms class that I attended was the first time I have ever shot a gun. I just want something for personal defense that I hope I never have to use in an emergency situation. I'm not quite as old as P&R Fan's client but I am a grandmother and starting to get arthritis a little in my hands. We really don't want to do any alterations on the 442 since my husband really likes it, he can have it and I will get a new one. We looked at the Ruger LCR today and liked it so I guess now my question is how does the quality of a Ruger compare with Smith & Wesson?
Thanks!
 
I have a Charter Arms "On Duty" 38 Spl +P that has a hammer, but it is designed so that it is hard to catch it on anything, but still very convenient to fire in single action mode. I carry it in my pocket-no holster-and it works well for me. Oh-and it weighs only 12 ozs unloaded.
 
The lcr is a nice gun. If it feels good to you, you will be happy. The lcr is a well made gun, like the smith, and will handle years of use quite well.
 
Try out the 637 Wyatt Deep Cover from the Performance Center. They have been fairly common (around the Denver area anyway), and they are double action only and the trigger is just fantastic. Much smoother than a standard J frame.

I had a Ruger LCR and liked it, but traded it toward a 317 snubnose that didn't want to constantly fall outta my holster. S&W revolvers tend to have better resale value than Rugers, in my experience, anyway.

Good luck with your choice. My mom has two Ladysmith 38s stashed around the house. Just in case. ;)
 
The older two digit models (38, 42) usually have much better triggers than any of the three digit models (eg 642). The older revolvers are generally better fit and finished and consequently much smoother, ( to me at least) easier, trigger actions.

Even the two digit models can be vastly improved by a good gunsmith.

Find one (a good gunsmith) and get the trigger fixed.

This is not a do it yourself project unless you are a good gunsmith: forget the idea of buying drop in parts. This really is much too important to learn by fiddling with your own revolver - you wouldn't try to learn how to fix your brakes by practicing on the car you take the kids to school in.

Since you intend to carry in a purse ( much easier to carry than in a pocket or on a belt) an all steel M 49 or M40 would also be options.

Most j frames benefit by skilled trigger work. The two digit models (36, 38, 49, 40, 42) are much better, before and after skilled trigger work, than the three digit models in my experience.

I find the Ruger revolvers functional but clunky. S&W revolvers (older j frames in this instance) are elegant in comparison.

Unless you are planning on a very good (eg 40+hour) training program expending about 500 rounds - such as the Gunsite course, I would not recommend a pistol (semi auto handgun). Although there are lots of pistols marketed in the self defense industry, a revolver is much easier, and better, from a safety standpoint than a pistol.

Just my opinion, of course.
 
The Ruger LCR is well made and reliable. The trigger is lighter than than the standard alloy J-frames like the 442. S&W does make a version of the Model 642 with a factory-tuned trigger, which retails for about $100 more than the standard 642, but it could be hard to find one.
 
EydieG: you mentioned that you don't have much shooting experience, have you considered practicing with a j-frame in .22 caliber?

Then when you have practiced with that and gained some shooting experience, you could move back up to the model 442.
 
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EydieG: you mentioned that you don't have much shooting experience, have you considered practicing with a j-frame in .22 caliber?

Then when you have practiced with that and gained some shooting experience, you could move back up to the model 442.

^^^THIS^^^

MG357 read my mind. A 442 while an excellent gun isn't what I would ever suggest for someone just starting out. You need to learn proper trigger control, breathing and get used to what it's like to shoot a gun. This takes hours and hours of range time.

Even for the advanced shooter, these lightweight snubs are really no fun at all at the range. IMHO you NEED to practice with what you carry and you just won't like throwing 100 rounds at a time down range with that 442.

Here are some suggestions…

Start with a smaller .22 like the model 63 or 317. No real recoil and they will really let you work on the basics of good shooting. If you don't mind the weight, you could go with a 617 but it's not a light gun. The M63 is an amazing gun (I cry every time I think that I let mine go).

If you can find one, the 43C is also a great practice gun as it's got the same sight radius as a 442 but shoots .22s. I know a lot of folks even carry that weapon with a hot .22 load (don't want to get into a CCW caliber discussion). Might be an option while you are learning.

Then, move up to the steel .38s (or .357 but only load .38s) like the 640 or 649. You will find that this progression will really pay off in the end and you will become, with a bit of work, a better shooter.

Good luck with whatever you decide! Have Fun!

This was my M63


And my 617
 
I agree with what has been said about the 442 being a difficult gun to start a new shooter with. They are light and conceal great but are hard to learn to control. I would recommend a K frame S&W with 3 or 4 inch barrel.

Should you decide to keep your 442, lots of dry firing will smooth out the trigger. Out of the box they are always heavy on the pull. I dry fired mine daily for 2 weeks and felt it gradually get smoother.
 
A trigger job and spring swap by a qualified gunsmith will dramatically lighten and smooth out the trigger pull. I run reduced power springs in my 642 and have never had a light strike with any type of ammo.
You will be much happier with your 442 after the trigger gets some love.

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Try out the 637 Wyatt Deep Cover from the Performance Center. They have been fairly common (around the Denver area anyway), and they are double action only and the trigger is just fantastic. Much smoother than a standard J frame.

My wife has a Performance Center 637 and the trigger is much smoother than my "vanilla" Model 60. The pull is noticeably lighter too. I'm sure that it uses a different mainspring.

The common wisdom is that the j-frames are difficult to shoot, but my wife, who is a relative newcomer to handguns, is an excellent shot with hers.
 
With my peripheral neuropathy, I've been diagnosed with profound weakness in my right hand and wrist.
I did a spring change and smoothing of the guts of my 442. The mainspring's been replaced with an 8 pound spring and the rebound's an 11 pound spring. I've never had a misfire and it's a lot easier for me to shoot.
Adding a Pachmayr Compact grip made it easier for me to hold.
 
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We looked at the Ruger LCR today and liked it so I guess now my question is how does the quality of a Ruger compare with Smith & Wesson?
Thanks!

Did you look at it or did they have one you could shoot. At a minimum, ask them to allow you to dry fire it (with all obvious precautions). As for quality, I don't think you have anything to worry about buying a Ruger. I have an LCR and like it a lot. The most important thing is that it fits you well and you can operate it properly. As you've learned with the 442, just because it's a great gun for someone (in this case your husband), does not mean it's a good gun for you. You're not going to be sorry about buying a Ruger or a Smith and Wesson unless it's not the right gun for you.
 
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