MOUNTAIN GUN QUESTION

The owner of Buffalo Bore has started putting out a lot of interesting videos. He has several 45 LC mountain guns and he said that to run his hot loads, there is some simple mod that should be done. He said the 44 magnum versions come with this already done but not the 45 LCs.

 
I've a 4 in mtn since the first run came out years ago.............I would NOT shoot that ammo in mine. I'd shoot that load in any of my RUGER 45LC SA's.
I load my own for my Mountain Gun in .45 Colt. My 250 grain LSWC 'hiking in the wilderness' loads are stout. The revolver seems to have survived many rounds with no ill effects.
I have hunted Florida bears in the past, and it looks like there will be a hunt at the end of 2025. I can't wait! We have WAY too many of the dang things.
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I love my new 44 magnum Lipsey's 4" Smith Mountain Gun. I have a 44 mag Smith in blued, stainless, and nickel. The Mountain Gun seems lighter than the advertised weight.
 
Dunno about black bear but I can tell you a .44 HC 250 grain loaded 'mild' to 1000 fps will go right through a hog. I see no reason the BB load won't bump off a black bear fine. They ain't tanks.
 
The cylinder walls in a Smith 625 are really thin, especially in the lock cutouts, and .45 Colt cases are thin as well. Hard cast (or solid copper) bullets in a lighter load might be okay, but Buffalo Bore pushes the edge of the envelope. If you don't have a carbine in bear country, I suggest .44M, .357M, or 10mm, not necessarily in that order. Most people find a follow up shot difficult in .44M.

A Mountain Gun in .44M is only 38 oz, compared to 42 oz for a full-lugged barrel. The recoil is smart, and the gun will rise and rotate 30 deg left due to the rifling twist. A 10mm, 200 grain hard cast at 1200 fps is supposedly effective on bears, and the recoil is comparable to .357M in a SW 610, or a 28 oz Glock 20.
 
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The cylinder walls in a Smith 625 are really thin, especially in the lock cutouts, and .45 Colt cases are thin as well. Hard cast (or solid copper) bullets in a lighter load might be okay, but Buffalo Bore pushes the edge of the envelope. If you don't have a carbine in bear country, I suggest .44M, .357M, or 10mm, not necessarily in that order. Most people find a follow up shot difficult in .44M.

A Mountain Gun in .44M is only 38 oz, compared to 42 oz for a full-lugged barrel. The recoil is smart, and the gun will rise and rotate 30 deg left due to the rifling twist. A 10mm, 200 grain hard cast at 1200 fps is supposedly effective on bears, and the recoil is comparable to .357M in a SW 610, or a 28 oz Glock 20.
Yep, as much as I love revolvers, if I was in big bear country (browns), I would take a 10mm Glock over any revolver. I'm simply not skilled enough to be fast and accurate with powerful revolvers, and I'm not going to lie, the extra capacity of the Glock would be comforting as well.
 
OK, my shooting buddy's brother has a 4in. Mountain Gun in .45LC. A black bear has been eyeballing his farm. He wants to know if Buffalo Boar hard cast bear loads would be OK in his Smith. Thanks!
The bear has a right to be there. Your buddy’s brother is the interloper who moved into the area.
 
Yep, as much as I love revolvers, if I was in big bear country (browns), I would take a 10mm Glock over any revolver. I'm simply not skilled enough to be fast and accurate with powerful revolvers, and I'm not going to lie, the extra capacity of the Glock would be comforting as well.
10mm ballistics are often quoted from 4" barrels. In contrast, .357M ballistics are cited using 8-3/8" barrels, last used by Wyatt Earp wannabes. Figure 100-200 fps per inch.
 
OK, my shooting buddy's brother has a 4in. Mountain Gun in .45LC. A black bear has been eyeballing his farm. He wants to know if Buffalo Boar hard cast bear loads would be OK in his Smith. Thanks!
The original .45 Colt black powder loads delivered in excess of 600 fpe from a 7.5" barrel way back in 1873. Just like today, the Army decided that was far too much power and kick and so specified a reduced load with a 230 grain slug delivering around 350 fpe - just like the .45 ACP half a century later. Factory .45 Colt ammo today is loaded to around 14,000 psi which is nothing with modern, solid-head brass in modern steel guns. The larger the bore, the more "power" can be generated due to the simple fact that a larger bullet has more base area to push against and so will go faster with lower "chamber pressure" than small bores. This is why .45 "magnum" level loads in the old load manuals were stipulated to be no more than 25,000 psi, which is far lower than modern 9mm, .357 magnum, .40 S&W, and 10mm, and only about 5-6 thousand psi more than garden variety .45 ACP loads which are intentionally loaded mildly.
So the question is, can his S&W Mountain Gun handle Buffalo Bore's top .45 LC ammo. Simply put, yes it can, but can HE handle it? Big bores with big, heavy slugs tend to KICK because you can't make real power going thataway, without paying for it going thisaway. Is 25K psi too much for the modern brass case? NO. Is it too much for modern steel, not even close. The problem is a Mountain gun only weighs about 38-39 ounces 'cause they're made to ride on the hip over busting off 1,000 rounds at the range. A standard 4" S&W M29 only weighs 44 ounces - maybe 6 ounces more than the Mountain gun, but that, plus the added weight of a 6th cartridge certainly attenuates kick better than a 5-shot M69, or a Mountain gun with tapered barrel.
If I may be so bold I suggest a serious look at the Colt Anaconda 4 inch which kicks it up to 47 ounce with a lot of mass forward. I'm sure your buddy's brother loves his .45 LC chambering, but when the rubber meets the road, the entire reason the .44 magnum came into existence is because it was a better path forward to magnum power - just ask Elmer Keith, and he tried 'em both!
These ultra light .44s and .45s are GREAT when sitting around yapping about 'em, but in real life, the old standards exist for a reason.
BUT, to reiterate about your question, the S&W Mountain gun can handle BB ammunition, but nobody will want to stand behind it for 6 shots.
 
There just isn’t enough metal in the cylinder of a Smith 625 45 Colt. I never understood why they even bothered.

I agree with Cartwright. Opt for the Anaconda. Those things are massive. You aren’t going to hurt one of those. I had heard from a reputable source that Colt chambered a few Anacondas in 454. That’s why I was so sure Colt would go 454 instead of the old 45.

I wish Colt would do something along the lines of a Mtn Gun. Call it the New Service.

Instead of “figuring” 100-200fps per inch, just get a Garmin Xero. Without a chronograph, you really don’t have a clue. While you’re at it, get a trigger pull gauge. I need numbers!
 

So the question is, can his S&W Mountain Gun handle Buffalo Bore's top .45 LC ammo. Simply put, yes it can, but can HE handle it?…
BUT, to reiterate about your question, the S&W Mountain gun can handle BB ammunition, but nobody will want to stand behind it for 6 shots.
My S&W Model 625-6, Model 22-4 and my Model 25-2 can all handle the 45 Super. So far, so can I!


There just isn’t enough metal in the cylinder of a Smith 625 45 Colt. I never understood why they even bothered.

Because not everyone wants to carry around a boat anchor just to shoot a 45 caliber revolver.

Kevin
 

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