Muzzle Loader 100 yard Zero

That's pretty much how the late season is in Pennsylvania. But flintlock only, which pretty much requires black powder. Scopes are out but I see that now peep sights are allowed. Originally it was restricted to patched round balls but conical bullets are now OK as well. Both of my charcoal burners barrels are cut for round balls, so that is what I use. And black powder really is as easy to clean up as the other substitutes so I don't bother with them anymore.

John

When I was hunting in PA using a flintlock the rear sight had to be an open sight, no peep sights permitted. When the flintlock season only allowed patched round balls I bought a specialized barrel with the slow twist. I got to the point I could hit a gallon paint can lid at 100 yards offhand. When conical bullets were legalized I went back to the Thompson Center factory barrel.
 
The Inline systems killed value of traditional type ML. For several years you could by TC Hawkins and similar for $100. They weren’t collectible or as shooters weren’t as good as $100 inline. The introduction of bullets that didn’t need patched, powder pellets and #209 priming system made the new generation of MZ so any dipstick that had a modicum of motor skills could shoot one.
Now the tradition guns are making comeback.
 
I originally understood that the reason for a ML season was to give one the feeling of a connection to their ancestors.

The rifle pictured makes me feel closer to Gaston Glock than Davy Crockett....;):p:eek:

Yeah, kind of like archery hunting. Then compound bows came along and now crossbows. Gotta change with the times (if you choose to), I reckon. Variety is the spice of life....:D
 
Got me to thinking about the Leatherstocking Tales (James Fenimore Cooper).

Condensed....

The distance between the stump and shooting-stand was one hundred measured yards; a foot more or a foot less being thought an invasion of the right of one of the parties. The negro affixed his own price to every bird, and the terms of the chance; but, when these were once established, he was obliged, by the strict principles of public justice that prevailed in the country, to admit any adventurer who might offer.

The turkey was already fastened at the "mark," hut its body was entirely hid by the surrounding snow, nothing being visible but its red swelling head and its long neck. If the bird was injured by any bullet that struck below the snow, it was to continue the property of its present owner; but if a feather was touched in a visible part, the animal became the prize of the successful adventurer.

Where is the man that can hit a turkeys head at a hundred yards? I was a fool for trying. You neednt make an uproar like a falling pine-tree about it. Show me the man who can do it.

The smoke, the report, and the momentary shock prevented most of the spectators from instantly knowing the result; but Elizabeth, when she saw her champion drop the end of his rifle in the snow and open his mouth in one of its silent laughs, and then proceed very coolly to recharge his piece, knew that he had been successful. The boys rushed to the mark, and lifted the turkey on high, lifeless, and with nothing but the remnant of a head. "Bring in the creatur," said Leather-Stocking, "and put it at the feet of the lady. I was her deputy in the matter, and the bird is her property."

Nathanial Bumppo (ie Leather-Stockings) year 1823
 
The Inline systems killed value of traditional type ML. For several years you could by TC Hawkins and similar for $100. They weren’t collectible or as shooters weren’t as good as $100 inline. The introduction of bullets that didn’t need patched, powder pellets and #209 priming system made the new generation of MZ so any dipstick that had a modicum of motor skills could shoot one.
Now the tradition guns are making comeback.

Shooting one is one thing. Hitting your target is a whole other story. It still requires some degree of shooting/hunting skills. :D

With the same set-up that I have in my original post, I shot this buck at 178 yards. He went maybe 40 yards and dropped. I seriously doubt that shot could have been made using a conventional cap and ball smoke pole. Or, by someone with little shooting/hunting skills for the matter. :D

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Since this has evolved into an inline vs traditional ML thread, I’d like to interject a couple points ……

In Michigan, you’re more than welcome to use your traditional ML thru ALL of the gun seasons. It’s not like you’re left out of anything.

The younger generation isn’t the least bit interested in traditional ML hunting (with very few exceptions). Here in Michigan, and I’m sure every other state, we’re very concerned with declining hunter numbers.

And finally, please reread paragraph two.
 
Since this has evolved into an inline vs traditional ML thread, I’d like to interject a couple points ……

In Michigan, you’re more than welcome to use your traditional ML thru ALL of the gun seasons. It’s not like you’re left out of anything.

The younger generation isn’t the least bit interested in traditional ML hunting (with very few exceptions). Here in Michigan, and I’m sure every other state, we’re very concerned with declining hunter numbers.

And finally, please reread paragraph two.

Oh, I agree that you made a wonderful shot, both on the target and on that buck.

I just feel that traditional muzzleloaders should have their own season.
 
Since this has evolved into an inline vs traditional ML thread, I’d like to interject a couple points ……

In Michigan, you’re more than welcome to use your traditional ML thru ALL of the gun seasons. It’s not like you’re left out of anything.

The younger generation isn’t the least bit interested in traditional ML hunting (with very few exceptions). Here in Michigan, and I’m sure every other state, we’re very concerned with declining hunter numbers.

And finally, please reread paragraph two.

I have ZERO, and I mean ZERO, interest in black powder, patches, percussion caps, iron sights, etc.

But I do enjoy being able to hunt in December, so I went down the modern inline path.

I have been able to kill a fair amount of deer in the muzzle loading season.

I also don't consider it "primitive." I consider it another way to spend time out hunting with my dad and the backstraps taste just as good.
 
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