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keithherrington
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Kind words CGM. My goal for this season is to reliably top 2500. We'll see how the quest goes.
Keith
Keith
My bullseye target revolvers
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TheKySharpshooter
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Congrats! I don't know what the scores mean, but I know what 1st place is lol.
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keithherrington
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38,
Here is a real quick tutorial on bullseye. 90 shots in a match for a maximum score of 2700. Two 10 shot targets slow fire for a maximum score of 200. A 30 shot National Match Course of 10 shots slow, 10 shots timed and 10 shots rapid for a maximum score of 300. Two 10 shot timed targets at 25 for a maximum score of 200 and two 10 shot targets at 25 for a maximum score of 200. All slow fire is at 50 yards, all timed and rapid are shot at 25 yards. Each Timed is 2 5-shot strings of 20 seconds each and each Rapid is 2 5-shot strings at 10 seconds each. If you reliably score above 2600 you're a titan and if you reliably score above 2650 you're a God among men. Sadly, I'm a mere mortal. X's are for breaking ties and count 10 points apiece.
Keith
Here is a real quick tutorial on bullseye. 90 shots in a match for a maximum score of 2700. Two 10 shot targets slow fire for a maximum score of 200. A 30 shot National Match Course of 10 shots slow, 10 shots timed and 10 shots rapid for a maximum score of 300. Two 10 shot timed targets at 25 for a maximum score of 200 and two 10 shot targets at 25 for a maximum score of 200. All slow fire is at 50 yards, all timed and rapid are shot at 25 yards. Each Timed is 2 5-shot strings of 20 seconds each and each Rapid is 2 5-shot strings at 10 seconds each. If you reliably score above 2600 you're a titan and if you reliably score above 2650 you're a God among men. Sadly, I'm a mere mortal. X's are for breaking ties and count 10 points apiece.
Keith
TheKySharpshooter
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So in the Rapid Fire you have 10 seconds for 5 shots? Sounds like a very interesting challenge for sure. Much different than the IHMSA I'm going to start doing next month. I do IDPA with the 10, IHMSA with the 14, now I'm going to have to find something to get into Bullseye with 
CGM
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Seriously, if you are ever in this neck of the woods be sure to let me know. You would be more than welcome at our club (Hollywood Rifle & Pistol Club). It's a private facility intended to foster NRA competition in pistol and smallbore rifle. Our problem is getting people to participate in a real 2700. We get so few that we are only doing them in the spring months in preparation for those that go to Camp Perry.
Was at the range today and with your scores in mind and, just for kicks, took my 17 and 14 and tried the rapid fire. I can see where with much practice double action could be mastered. I very much need a trigger job on my 14! No way it will do!
Anyway....keep up the good shooting
I feel your pain about getting members to participate in a 2700. I ran our pistol division for a couple years, and when we shot a 30 round match we would get maybe 12-15 to enter. Then I tried a 90 round match, and only three would show up, "takes too long" was the bitch. I never could get a entire 2700 match up and going. I still run a 30 round (indoor RF) match in the winter, and get around 20 to shoot, but that's about the only thing going then.
Good luck keeping yours going.
Good luck keeping yours going.
valkyriekl
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Keith, I'd be shooting wheelguns right along with you if I weren't in CA for work right now!
Here's my set:
S&W 617-4 (.22)
S&W 686-5 (CF)
S&W 625-6 (.45)
S&W 14-6 (DR)
Good scores; neither my slow-fire or rapid-fire scores are nearly as impressive with open sights.
-Kent
Here's my set:
S&W 617-4 (.22)
S&W 686-5 (CF)
S&W 625-6 (.45)
S&W 14-6 (DR)
cprher said:
Good scores; neither my slow-fire or rapid-fire scores are nearly as impressive with open sights.
-Kent
TheKySharpshooter
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So is the blued one the 14? Whichever one that it is, that blued gun is beautiful. I really like those grips, what kind are they if you don't mind me asking? And DR, does that stand for Distinguished Revolver?Keith, I'd be shooting wheelguns right along with you if I weren't in CA for work right now!
Here's my set:
S&W 617-4 (.22)
S&W 686-5 (CF)
S&W 625-6 (.45)
S&W 14-6 (DR)
Good scores; neither my slow-fire or rapid-fire scores are nearly as impressive with open sights.
-Kent
DanWales
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Sx Guns
Wow I'm so jealous. I'm an old and I say an old Bullseye shooter from the early mid 70's. I quit shooting competively when the government dropped our base teams. Old AF guy.
I have thought of getting into PPC matches here local, but I'm so herky, jerky now I think I would be embarresed to death. I'll keep on knocking down a few indoors from time to time.
Gosh I really admire a those pistols.
When I did have a gun box I still shot a K-38 6 inch for one of my 50 yd slow fire legs.
Love to see those scores. Numbers don't lie.
God 50 yds is a long way when I first started to to shoot bullseye I thought I would NEVER get any kind of group. It took a lot of ammo to get any kind of score, and god knows how many hours of dry fire.
Don't mean to ramble sorry.
Dan
Wow I'm so jealous. I'm an old and I say an old Bullseye shooter from the early mid 70's. I quit shooting competively when the government dropped our base teams. Old AF guy.
I have thought of getting into PPC matches here local, but I'm so herky, jerky now I think I would be embarresed to death. I'll keep on knocking down a few indoors from time to time.
Gosh I really admire a those pistols.
When I did have a gun box I still shot a K-38 6 inch for one of my 50 yd slow fire legs.
Love to see those scores. Numbers don't lie.
God 50 yds is a long way when I first started to to shoot bullseye I thought I would NEVER get any kind of group. It took a lot of ammo to get any kind of score, and god knows how many hours of dry fire.
Don't mean to ramble sorry.
Dan
valkyriekl
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Yup, that's the Model 14. Starting with the -5, continuing with the -6, and ending with the -7, the Model 14 shipped with a full underlug on the barrel, much like the 586. The -6 saw the frame factory drilled & tapped for a scope, a very slight change in the front sight, the grip frame changed to round-butt-only, and the cylinder/extractor changed to the new non-pinned type. The -7 saw the MIM hammer/trigger.
DR = Distinguished Revolver.
The grips on all the guns are Ahrends "Tactical" round-to-square conversion grips with finger-grooves. On that Model 14, the wood is an orange-stained Maple that I've added a polyurethane finish.
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keithherrington
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Dan,
Thanks for the comments, but don't let age put you off. I'm 57 and started shooting pistol competitively in 1973 after enlisting in the Army. I got into it very heavy while a cadet at West Point from 1974-1978 but soon thereafter stopped shooting bullseye and shot revolver in IPSC for many years. I didn't start up with bullseye until 2005. While I got my first leg points in 1974 I didn't go Distinguished until 2006, the same year I went Distinguished Revolver. I remember when I got back into it in 2005 I couldn't even stand properly for more than a few seconds. I kept losing my balance. All very embarrassing. Bottom line: its worth the effort to just dive in and shoot. I have no doubt that your old form will begin to show itself in no time at all. Just remember - age and experience will overcome youth and strength every time. Just don't turn your back on Valkyriekl. He'll kick your butt when your not looking.
Keith
Thanks for the comments, but don't let age put you off. I'm 57 and started shooting pistol competitively in 1973 after enlisting in the Army. I got into it very heavy while a cadet at West Point from 1974-1978 but soon thereafter stopped shooting bullseye and shot revolver in IPSC for many years. I didn't start up with bullseye until 2005. While I got my first leg points in 1974 I didn't go Distinguished until 2006, the same year I went Distinguished Revolver. I remember when I got back into it in 2005 I couldn't even stand properly for more than a few seconds. I kept losing my balance. All very embarrassing. Bottom line: its worth the effort to just dive in and shoot. I have no doubt that your old form will begin to show itself in no time at all. Just remember - age and experience will overcome youth and strength every time. Just don't turn your back on Valkyriekl. He'll kick your butt when your not looking.
Keith
TheKySharpshooter
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valkyriekl, thank you for the info. Looks like I just missed the full underlug, but oh well, I still like mine
valkyriekl
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cprher: I make it easy with the red-dots; real Bullseye shooters shoot with open sights =)
.38 Sharpshooter: I think the 14-4 is the best exposed-ejector K-38 Masterpiece out there, mainly because the gas ring is on the cylinder for that one, and so it's easier to clean. I have a 19-3 which has the gas ring on the yoke, and after about 30 shots, fouling starts to really build up in the yoke barrel and makes the cylinder not rotate freely anymore.
The 14-5/6/7's heavier barrel really does make a difference--between my 19-3 and my 14-5 and -6, I can hold the 19-3 on the target for longer at 50 yards before fatigue sets in. With the 14-5 and -6 with their heavier barrels, I basically have to decide to shoot the moment I bring the gun up, and any decision to abort the shot has to come fairly soon (i.e. due to larger wobbles due to fatigue or wind or whatever). With the 19-3 (and hopefully with the 14-4) I'll have longer to decide, either way.
.38 Sharpshooter: I think the 14-4 is the best exposed-ejector K-38 Masterpiece out there, mainly because the gas ring is on the cylinder for that one, and so it's easier to clean. I have a 19-3 which has the gas ring on the yoke, and after about 30 shots, fouling starts to really build up in the yoke barrel and makes the cylinder not rotate freely anymore.
The 14-5/6/7's heavier barrel really does make a difference--between my 19-3 and my 14-5 and -6, I can hold the 19-3 on the target for longer at 50 yards before fatigue sets in. With the 14-5 and -6 with their heavier barrels, I basically have to decide to shoot the moment I bring the gun up, and any decision to abort the shot has to come fairly soon (i.e. due to larger wobbles due to fatigue or wind or whatever). With the 19-3 (and hopefully with the 14-4) I'll have longer to decide, either way.
TheKySharpshooter
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This is probably going to make me sound ignorant, but I don't even know what the gas ring is.
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keithherrington
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The gas ring is a shroud surrounding the part of the yoke around which the cylinder rotates. It's at the front of the cylinder and prevents gas from the barrel/cylinder gap from getting into and clogging the internals of the cylinder.
Keith
Keith
TheKySharpshooter
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Oh ok, I see what you are talking about. Thank you!
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keithherrington
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April 27 match results posted immediately under pictures in first post.
Keith
Keith
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keithherrington
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May 8 match results posted immediately under the pictures in the first post.
Keith
Keith
Excellent thread, I've really enjoyed it - thanks for posting.
Nice equipment and you really know how to use it. Those scores would be very competitive with experts shooting autos and red dots around here. You should be able to make distinguished revolver in the minimum amount of time shooting those kinds of scores. Bullseye pistol shooters have a lot of stick-to-it-tive-ness. Not a lot of folks with that quality these days. Congrats on your first place finishes.
