My M&P C.O.R.E. bubble has been burst.

[ramnj]

I use the stock trigger spring as it gives a lighter pull.

 

[bimmerland]

I use the stock trigger spring as it gives a lighter pull.

We're you able to measure what the trigger pull was after the install?

 

[ramnj]

I've been wanting to, but haven't bought a gauge. I believe its somewhere between 3-4lbs. Its very light and crisp. I only use it for target and steel shooting.

 

[kmanick]

sorry to hijack , but does anyone know if installing just the Apex USB in the core slide will lighten the pull at all? it's so easy to do on a core slide I went ahead and ordered one (can't hurt)

 

[bimmerland]

I've been wanting to, but haven't bought a gauge. I believe its somewhere between 3-4lbs. Its very light and crisp. I only use it for target and steel shooting.

I just like the style of the new trigger. The original hinged one takes a lot of getting used to being a 1911 shooter now. Flat trigger seem to be easier to get accustomed to.

 

[hardluk1]

Don't forget to shoot from a solid rest too .

I'm not a fan of there flat trigger and we did try one before sending it back for a curved model . Both my wifes m&p's have the curved Apex trigger kit along with a apex striker block upgrade . Some polishing of stock parts was done too for a under 5lb pull on her m&p9c and low 4lb on the CORE

 

[Bkreutz]

This is a picture to show what is possible with an Apex FSS kit and some polishing. This was on a competition gun I built a few years back. I've since changed to an STI platform so my trigger pull is about the same (with less work )

 

[bimmerland]

Don't forget to shoot from a solid rest too .

I'm not a fan of there flat trigger and we did try one before sending it back for a curved model . Both my wifes m&p's have the curved Apex trigger kit along with a apex striker block upgrade . Some polishing of stock parts was done too for a under 5lb pull on her m&p9c and low 4lb on the CORE

I shoot in an indoor range where maximum distance is 15 yards. I normally shoot free hand for the additional challenge. With my kimber aegis I would normally put together groups of 2.5 inches or better free standing at 15 yards. When the vortex viper was working my groups improved a little but could have been better with a better trigger. When I get both units back I'm going to get an Apex kit probably with the curved trigger to mimic my 1911 and keep the pull to around 4.5 pounds which is where my comfort level is. I'm hoping vortex can rectify the out of zero issue. If not I'll get a refund and look at either a rmr or a delta point.

 

[CBStuard]

I am surprised that the OP thinks moving a sight is unacceptable. I think it's normal. No big deal, just adjust until POI matches POA.

 

[bimmerland]

I am surprised that the OP thinks moving a sight is unacceptable. I think it's normal. No big deal, just adjust until POI matches POA.

If you pay good money for a firearm that is supposed to be a performance gun and you pay more for that privilege I would expect that it 100% accurate when it leaves the factory. Every other firearm I've ever had never needed a sight adjustment. Maybe I'm just lucky.

 

[IanSane]

So was there a gun problem? All you wrote was about the vortex...... unless I missed something. I have never seen a gun that needed sights drifted. It's typically the shooter. Different grip, size, shape, etc. There are certain guns I shoot left with but that's me and that style of gun, it's not the sights. Pretty much any thin grip gun. HiPowers, single stacks, anything with that small of a grip. This is a training problem not a gun problem.

As for the Vortex I don't know what to tell you. If I buy red dots I only stick with Trijicon, AimPoint or EOtech.

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I used to think like you did until I tried sighting in my wifes new model 60 pro. I have fired in competitions, spent 4 years in Iraq and Afghanistan and have over 30 years shooting under my belt and no matter what I did I was unable to get the groups closer than 2 inches right of center from a bench rest at 10 yards. Even though I consider myself a well above average marksman I had one of the range hands fire it as well with the exact same results. At 10yards all 5 rnds go in the same hole just 2 inches right of center with the windage adjusted to as far as it would go. So it is VERY possible his weapon has misaligned sights from Smith. Given Smiths recent track record with QA (parts installed BACKWARDS on new 686 for example) id give the shooter the benefit of a doubt.

 

[actionpistol]

Just to add to moving sights, generally different velocity ammo and bullet weight has an impact on poi. Faster shoots higher slower lower. But I have Dawson adjustable rear sights on my m&p just for that reason. I also have a core upper and I put the vortex venom on mine due to not having the rear lock down screws. I also have a viper on my 929 all the vortex dots I have are great. Oh if your shooting the same load the poi shouldn't shift.

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[actionpistol]

Ops thats faster lower slower higher.

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[rwsmith]

I hope we...

I hope we hear something soon. I'd like to have an explanation for this imponderable.

 

[stavey]

No offense but expecting the first ammo you try to shoot poi/poa may have been your issue. All ammo will shoot differently in all guns. The trigger can be polished up very easily or replaced (apex). As far as the vortex, that's a whole seperate issue. I hope they resolve quickly.
Good luck