My NIB 4566TSW Saga

[novalty]

With the target I had posted, I was shooting at 10 yards with the front dot covering the target. If I shot at the 6'-O'Clock position, I had even lower hits on the target.

Scotter260: Here is an updated pic of my 4566TSW.

 

[novalty]

Well I finally got a chance to take my 4566TSW back out to the range since receiving it back from S&W. Put another 75 rounds through it, bringing the total round count to around 185 give a few more for what S&W tested at the factory when they replaced the front sight. The first shot landed just a half-inch to the 7 o'clock position of the X. Still shooting factory Remington UMC 230gr fmj. From 7 yards I was getting mixed result trying to get used to the gun. My brother-in-law who shoots a lot more frequently and works for a security company was getting approximately 1.5" groups. Strangely enough the last clip I put through it at 7 yards, shooting more quickly (not full rapid fire), was my best shooting of the session landing all my shots in a 2" group on the bullseye. This session I used the straight backstrap grips as shown on the picture above. It has been too long between range session for me to say if I noticed any difference over the FBI Palm Swells. Still hoping I made the right decision on choosing the TSW over the M&P.

 

[ColColt]

This seems to be the week for the 4566TSW. I posted a similar thread this evening about the same situation. However, I'm going to try another round with this soon with some 185 gr CorBons and some 230 Ranger T ammo to see how things go.

 

[miles71]

I got a 4566 a little while back and it seems fine.
Both off hand at 10 yards or so.

I have put new grips on it since these, but am not real sure they are going to stay.
TD

 

[novalty]

Thanks Miles for going and making me look bad, really appreciate it ~ Nice shooting though.

 

[Palmetto Sharpshooter]

You might want to try a shorter front sight. If you think its the grip angle, try the arched grip.

 

[miles71]

Sorry my friend, but these pistols do shoot well.
TD

 

[novalty]

Hey Miles, you have something against the number 7, looks like you got pasties on all the 7's? Guess you got me curious.

 

[miles71]

Hey Miles, you have something against the number 7, looks like you got pasties on all the 7's? Guess you got me curious.
No, it was just something to do with those little left over dots in the pack of targets. Sometimes I try to shoot at them.

Back when I used to shoot alot we used to play the "Quarter Game". Trace a quarter and shoot it out. Started with a 22 and moved up to a 357.

TD

 

[novalty]

Well I got a brief opportunity to go out and shoot the 4566TSW again, and guess I was having a bad day. Stop at 40 rounds (5 clips) I started off hitting low again shooting from 50 feet. Covering the target with front sight, managed to bring it up after a few rounds. Put two pieces of colored paper side by side, fired one clip and put all 8 rounds on target, still wide grouping. Then moved my stance to more angled for the second sheet, and barely got 3 shots on the bottom right corner of the target. Gave up for the day after that clip. Really need more range time, but wow am I getting frustrated. Hope I am not the only one to have bad range sessions.

 

[novalty]

Well I swapped out the straight backstrap grips and put the FBI palm-swells back on. Went out again yesterday and got to shoot about another 50 rounds through the 4566TSW. I am not sure if it the depth of the grip, but really need advice. The best I can seem to do in the accuracy department is to land 8 shots on a 8.5x11" piece of paper from 10 yards. I took my 5906 with me and can put all 15 rounds on the same size paper without nearly as much effort, not even using the Crimson Trace grips. Now when I shoot the 4566TSW, I have no confidence whatsoever, that I am going to hit POA. Hitting bottom, side and of 8.5" x 11" paper target. I've shot both a 1911, and a M&P 45, and found that I was more accurate with both. At this point I am really not sure where to go next. The gun functioned flawlessly, but for some reason I can make it land my shots. Any suggestions, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

 

[18DAI]

All rounds on a sheet of typing paper at 10 yards is not too terrible, IMO. I've seen officers who wish they could do that!

My only suggestion would be to try a pair of Hogue rubber grips, and some Winchester Ranget 230 grain JHP rounds. I find JHP 45's to be more inherently accurate than ball.

I also find that combination of grip and ammo to be the most beneficial in the "shoot tiny groups with the 4566" department, for me.

Good luck! Regards 18DAI.

 

[novalty]

I think the grips are playing a role in the accuracy for me, and I in no way claim to be a bulleye shooter, just wish I could get some grouping with the gun, not talking ragged hole, but even 3" would be satisfactory for me. The Crimson Trace grips on my 5906 are really wide with the double stack, but it makes the gun feel like it was custom made for my hand. Really hate to buy a 3rd set of grips for this gun, but I guess if it would make some difference it would be worth the $20 or so for a set. Really not sure I could sell it and jump into the polymer, like the 1911's but seems like if I sell this 45 I am going to have to front a couple hundred more to make the switch. Have considered the S&W 745, but my guess it the grip angle & shape, it going to be very similar to the 4566TSW.

 

[Grinder]

The Hogue rubber grips are wider than factory and may fit you much better

 

[dicky r]

4566 aiming point

I have a 4566 with much work by both Teddy Jacobson and Bob Cogan. I shoot 200gr lead flat points in front of 5.1 gr of Win 231 for my range load. I've found that if you shoot with both eyes open and use a 12 o' clock hold (sight dot on target point of aim), that it's dead on at 8-10 yds. I don't get poa with a 6 o'clock hold until about 15-18 yds. I don't practice 25 yds with my autos so no help there.

 

[novalty]

Yeah I was getting closer shots the last time I took it out to POA by covering the target with the dot at 7 yards shooting factory 230gr Remington UMC. I was shooting at a piece of 8.5"x11" paper, and my grouping was like walking around a clock, while aiming at the center.

 

[SMSgt]

I'm having issues with accuracy with my 4566 also. After a couple of mags, the 15 yd target looks like someone blasted it with a shotgun load of 00 buck. Low also. I'm no pistolero and have never claimed to be. One inch groups are NOT in my nature using handguns, but I am considerably better with my Glock 30. Mine came with the rubber Hogue grips, and I found myself reaching for the trigger. Installed a set of factory straight grips which feel much better, but accuracy didn't improve. I'm going to try a couple more range sessions before I make any determinations on keeping or selling.

 

[novalty]

At this point I am sure it is operator error, as my brother-in-law has fired mine and can get decent groups, and that with not having shot one before. SMSgt your "00 buckshot" comment made me laugh, cause that is the grouping I am getting. With the last time I shot the 4566TSW, I went and grabbed my 5906 and got a 3" group without problems. Which has me believe it is my issues not getting used to the different ergonomics of the grip. Have tried factory arched, straight and FBI Palm-Swell grips. So not really sure where to go from here, cause I don't believe adjustable rear sights are going to fix my accuracy issues.

 

[Catshooter]

Shooting low/left for a right-handed person is a well know target shooting issue. It is caused by the shooter, as he tightens his trigger finger is also tightening his other fingers, thus dropping and swinging the front of the piece.


Cat

 

[novalty]

Shooting low/left for a right-handed person is a well know target shooting issue. It is caused by the shooter, as he tightens his trigger finger is also tightening his other fingers, thus dropping and swinging the front of the piece.
Cat

I can understand the change in ergonomics from my 5906 double stack with lasergrips, to the 4506 causing my fingers to tighten on grip during trigger pull, as the 5906 fills out my hand more--which I think reduces the tightening effect. The concern I am having is not being able to walk the shots in after adjusting--maybe a set of hogue will make the difference for me on the 4566 as references indicate that they are wider than the factory delrin grips. From the pics I see of the hogue's they appear to have a slight arch in them. I have tried the arched delrins, and found the arched would force my palm more to the side of the gun as opposed to the rear.