ITS NOT THE GUN: Its YOU!
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G.T. Smith
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I used to get fair groups that were low and left with my handguns. They really weren't off bad enough to worry about but they were aggravating. I then began to read about stance and grip and used the technique to find my (NAA), natural aiming area and my accuracy greatly improved. I found that I was lining my body up about the same every time and that it was not right, consistent, but not right. I am a much happier shooter now than I was at the first of the year. I have become much better with my M65 4" and my 37 snub. The real challenge has been a Colt vest pocket .25, but once I figured out how to grip a tiny little gun like that, and to use the first joint of my trigger finger instead of the first pad I can hold it to a nice windage.
I wonder if a CTG is a Colt Tiny Gun?.....got one!
Peace,
gordon
I wonder if a CTG is a Colt Tiny Gun?.....got one!
Peace,
gordon
BoDog
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Every now and then I get a dose of humility, holes all over the place. By a few stokes of luck I have acquired a S&W 41 ans a K-22. They will tell me right away if it is me or the gun, for some reason it has alwys been me.
As I shoot I can feel myself unwind and groups get better. Just remember you shoot the way you train. Dump the brass out of your revolvers and drop the magazines out of the automatics. You shoot under pressure the way you train.
As I shoot I can feel myself unwind and groups get better. Just remember you shoot the way you train. Dump the brass out of your revolvers and drop the magazines out of the automatics. You shoot under pressure the way you train.
V1 Rotate
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This reminds me of what Curtis Pitts, a good old boy from Florida and the designer of the Pitts' Special aerobatic airplane, the dominant aerobatic airplane in the world for 30 years and still world class capable in the right hands, said about physical fitness: he was asked about the growing trend, I think this was in the eighties, of pilots being more fit and concentrating more on working out and less on flying. His response was to advocate what he called the best and simplest fitness routine for aerobatic pilots in the world. It consisted of the following-
1. Fill up 2 five gallon jerry cans with fuel.
2. Lift each can above your head.
3. Pour the fuel into your Pitts Special. (The fuel tank and filler for a Pitts is on the fuselage in front of the seat, at eye level when you are standing beside the airplane.)
4. Repeat twice daily.
Of course, the implication is that if you are flying enough aerobatics to empty the tank twice a day you are going to be fit enough and a very good pilot as well. Its all about PRACTICE. My guess is that if you shoot a couple of thousand rounds in that inaccurate pistol, you are going to be surprised how that point of impact moves to where it should be! regards, Bill S
1. Fill up 2 five gallon jerry cans with fuel.
2. Lift each can above your head.
3. Pour the fuel into your Pitts Special. (The fuel tank and filler for a Pitts is on the fuselage in front of the seat, at eye level when you are standing beside the airplane.)
4. Repeat twice daily.
Of course, the implication is that if you are flying enough aerobatics to empty the tank twice a day you are going to be fit enough and a very good pilot as well. Its all about PRACTICE. My guess is that if you shoot a couple of thousand rounds in that inaccurate pistol, you are going to be surprised how that point of impact moves to where it should be! regards, Bill S
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That's it. I'm on my way to the Apex website to spend tons of money now.
Harkrader
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In the '60s I was in the USAF with another pilot whose father was a colonel in SAC. The father's nickname was Rhett.
When Rhett was a second lt just after WWII he was assigned to Panama. He was given the duty of seeing to the marksmanship of the unit. One member was a a master sergeant who wasn't about to put up with any **** from a second louie. He stalked to the line, grabbed the pistol, almost certainly a Colt Government Model, and pretty much flung the rounds downrange, completely missing the target. He then proclaimed the guns as pieces of s*&t, tossed his on the table and started to leave while further decrying the stupid requirement to maintain currency.
The young lt. told the MS to wait (having been a lt in a unit with master sergeants, I know how THAT went over!) and picked up the pistol himself and reloaded it. He then turned his back to the target, bent over and drilled the bullseye from between his legs. He stood up, giving the gun an appraising look and said "Seems fine to me, Sergeant, try it again."
DAMN I wish I could have been there to see that!
Rhett went on to become a legend in SAC, for other reasons.
When Rhett was a second lt just after WWII he was assigned to Panama. He was given the duty of seeing to the marksmanship of the unit. One member was a a master sergeant who wasn't about to put up with any **** from a second louie. He stalked to the line, grabbed the pistol, almost certainly a Colt Government Model, and pretty much flung the rounds downrange, completely missing the target. He then proclaimed the guns as pieces of s*&t, tossed his on the table and started to leave while further decrying the stupid requirement to maintain currency.
The young lt. told the MS to wait (having been a lt in a unit with master sergeants, I know how THAT went over!) and picked up the pistol himself and reloaded it. He then turned his back to the target, bent over and drilled the bullseye from between his legs. He stood up, giving the gun an appraising look and said "Seems fine to me, Sergeant, try it again."
DAMN I wish I could have been there to see that!
Rhett went on to become a legend in SAC, for other reasons.
Some of you are talking about those P-38s the way I used to hear Army vets talk about the 1911s they carried in the service. They talked like you couldn't hit a 55 gal barrel at 20'.
adams484
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5Wire
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I usually blame my bad shot grouping on the jerk behind the trigger 
Well I know it's not me. I've been shooting guns for my last 3 incarnations. Starting with smooth bore flint locks.
Also my brother's, uncle's, cousin's former college roommate once knew a guy that was a sharpshooter. So that qualifies me as an expert.
That means that I'm an expert with every gun ever. So, if it's hitting low and left it can't be my fault. It must be the gun.
But can it handle +P?
Also my brother's, uncle's, cousin's former college roommate once knew a guy that was a sharpshooter. So that qualifies me as an expert.
That means that I'm an expert with every gun ever. So, if it's hitting low and left it can't be my fault. It must be the gun.
But can it handle +P?
joeintexas
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I have several of those guns too, me and all of them have one blind eye! I missed the first shot and hit the next one in the same place.
Must be common. I have a couple of Hammerli pistols with the same problem.
But if you actually practice shooting the gun it'll get dirty and worn looking. That wouldn't look good next to that obviously unworn holster in the pics!
My god, ya might actually get the dreaded cylinder ring. Or even worse, those ***** looking stains on cylinder face!
My god, ya might actually get the dreaded cylinder ring. Or even worse, those ***** looking stains on cylinder face!
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adams484
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You forgot...
You forgot to mention that the sharp shooter lived once in the same town as John M. Browning did. That is relevant right???
LOL... That made my morning thanks soooo much!
You forgot to mention that the sharp shooter lived once in the same town as John M. Browning did. That is relevant right???
LOL... That made my morning thanks soooo much!
austinjeane
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m1gunner
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My wife is right handed and left eye dominant. Originally, her shooting was quite poor. I taught her to shoot left handed, now she out-shoots me.
I think I may have made a mistake............l.
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Aticus
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I read through this thread with interest. I sent a Ruger P90 back for an accuracy problem. I bought it new and shot it with both factory and hand loads. I could get nice five shot groups at 25 yards benched. Like 2 inches but they were consistently 2 to 2 1/2 inches left. Hey that was no problem. The rear sight was adjustable. Well when I got it to the point that the set screw was almost out of the dovetail I sent it to Ruger with a target. Wasn't long it came back with the sight in the middle of the dovetail and the test target dead on point of aim. Well!
Back out to the range. This time I took a SAA I had that I new shot to point of aim. The Ruger still shot to the left in nice tight groups. Ah we suspect a loose nut behind the grip (shooter). I picked up the SAA and put 5 down range. Nice little group (about 3 inches). Just what I'd come to expect from the gun. EXCEPT they were about 2 inches to the left.
Now finger that one out, kids. It took me a while but I finally figured out that I had just gotten new glasses with progressive lenses. I had to learn to shoot with both eyes open. That cured the shooting to the left.
Now I've developed a really wonderful flinch so there ain't know group shooting with a hand gun for a while.
Back out to the range. This time I took a SAA I had that I new shot to point of aim. The Ruger still shot to the left in nice tight groups. Ah we suspect a loose nut behind the grip (shooter). I picked up the SAA and put 5 down range. Nice little group (about 3 inches). Just what I'd come to expect from the gun. EXCEPT they were about 2 inches to the left.
Now finger that one out, kids. It took me a while but I finally figured out that I had just gotten new glasses with progressive lenses. I had to learn to shoot with both eyes open. That cured the shooting to the left.
Now I've developed a really wonderful flinch so there ain't know group shooting with a hand gun for a while.
Ben_hutcherson
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I've had one gun that had legitimate accuracy issues out of the box.
It was a Ruger Single Seven in 327 Magnum. I was getting no discernible group(and even some off the paper) at 7 yards. There were also a lot of noticeable bumps and "catches" in the action. Several other people shot it, and no one was able to get the gun to group.
After 100 rounds, I looked the gun over, and there was a noticeable amount of wear in one side of the forcing cone. I called Ruger and sent it back(on their dime). As per the report, they replaced the pawl and recut the forcing cone. They also test fired it at 15 yards with the ammo I specified, and included the test target(about a 1.5" group with 6 of the 7 shots making a big hole). They also had it back to me in a week and a half(I wish S&W would take some lessons from them). Since then, I've been able to shoot it much better, and feel pretty confident that any issues are my fault.
I recently bought an S&W m52(c. 1978, but new in the box) that shot terribly on my first range trip. With that gun, I'm positive that the problem is related to the "nut behind the trigger" as the saying goes.
It was a Ruger Single Seven in 327 Magnum. I was getting no discernible group(and even some off the paper) at 7 yards. There were also a lot of noticeable bumps and "catches" in the action. Several other people shot it, and no one was able to get the gun to group.
After 100 rounds, I looked the gun over, and there was a noticeable amount of wear in one side of the forcing cone. I called Ruger and sent it back(on their dime). As per the report, they replaced the pawl and recut the forcing cone. They also test fired it at 15 yards with the ammo I specified, and included the test target(about a 1.5" group with 6 of the 7 shots making a big hole). They also had it back to me in a week and a half(I wish S&W would take some lessons from them). Since then, I've been able to shoot it much better, and feel pretty confident that any issues are my fault.
I recently bought an S&W m52(c. 1978, but new in the box) that shot terribly on my first range trip. With that gun, I'm positive that the problem is related to the "nut behind the trigger" as the saying goes.
HOUSTON RICK
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Training newbies, especially with semi-auto pistols, after two magazines, I often hear the cry that "My gun is no good, so and so told me to get it and it is no good, blah, blah, blah". I then take the newbies gun, load it and rapidly fire off a tight group. Carefully, making sure the gun is unloaded, I put on the safety (if any) and return the gun saying "Doesn't look like the gun. Maybe you are still shaking your wrist (in fear) and anticipating the recoil?" Take your time, practice slowly, following your set up steps and firing procedure and finish your box of ammo before you blame the gun. There is a certain amount of coordination required on your part even if you are not playing tennis. A few boxes later, they are usually ok. Sometimes it helps to let them fire a few through your gun (loaded by you!) to confirm that the results are not varying with the gun, but the person. If they want to go off and buy a compensator or trigger job that is their business.
I have shot many peoples guns so they could see it was them and not the gun. I remember when I was a teen, a gun and his boys bought a new Remington 1100 and shot at a half a box of skeets and didn't hit a one. The guy asked me to try it and I picked up the "beautiful, good feeling" shotgun. (At the time my shotgun was a Marlin Goose Gun-so anything felt good in my hands compared to that). I shot three skeets in a row and said do you want to sell it? I handed the guy back his 1100 and went on shooting my goose gun. He and his boys kept on trying to hit the skeets.
I'm not a good shot but sometimes I am a lot better than some of the people I see wasting ammo.
John
I'm not a good shot but sometimes I am a lot better than some of the people I see wasting ammo.
John
This can't be right. I could have retired 10 years ago if it is.
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